Maybe hearing it another 247 times will be “good for the soul?”
Yeah, the 494th time will be the charm… ![]()
As long as it is in processing they will. They won’t make you stateless and may even give you the ID card without it (as was the case with a Polish fellow I heard of). - The president of Poland has to sign off on it… so even though it was processing… it would never be finished.
I have. They have failed at this mission in the past. Tomorrow I go to pick up my new passport. When I do I will go to the NIA HHR and Passports office and show them the petition and ask if they will sign it and spread the petition around by email or social media. Then when I visit the dentist tomorrow I will show them the petition and ask if they will sign it.
Let me know when any of you here will get off your sorry arse and do the same thing instead of being keyboard warriors. If 2000 people can sign the petition and did the same thing you might end up with 50,000 signatures. But no, whining on forums about an injustice and unfair policy is far more productive.
You are on his island…
If that were actually the case, I’d be in Thailand right now, believe me… ![]()
no extending the time is not unlimited. You need to show proof you have applied. People do these things online and have emails and payment receipts to prove they have applied to renounce. Such as the German lass we know of. She got documents to show MOI
It is as long as it is in processing. However, they will eventually just give you the ID card if you show you have done your best and get nowhere. (As with the case of the Polish fellow).
However, if Poland were to say “wait 10 years…” Taiwan would give 10 years.
Yes I had regular dinners with Marec the head of the Polish office at the time that was being done. I was able to share my story to him. He found it quite invaluable for helping others in his purview.
Well… @anon24369109 seems to know exactly how things work on our island of Taiwan (of which you are residing). Thanks to his rock-solid advice on the laws, legal procedures, and all the hoops you have to jump through, I was able to become a national, renounce my Australian citizenship, and get my Australian citizenship back just 8 days later. (Information you wouldn’t find anywhere at the time of me doing it…)
He even corrected all of the stupid mistakes that I made on the forms.
Even better, I learned how to avoid military service—something a lot of people don’t realise is possible. By getting a TARC, which I can have indefinitely renewed as a naturalised national, I never need to register for household registration (HHR) and can wait until I’m 35. And once my wife and I have our second kid, I can opt for the two-week service instead and get it before I’m 35. @anon24369109 's stories aren’t just stories—they’re the kind of guidance that gets real results.
In turn… now I am helping others. Currently I am helping our UK friend and another Australian. - Anyone in need of help can feel free to PM me.
This here is the key. I’m sure his advice was useful to you. For those of us who can’t renounce and resume, all the mockery and “woe is me” schtick is unhelpful at best and grating at worst.
It’s true, @Dr_Milker, that regaining citizenship after renunciation makes things a lot easier for some of us, and I totally get that not everyone has that option. But the point @anon24369109 and I are making isn’t about rubbing it in—it’s about showing that the system can be navigated with the right mindset and determination.
@anon24369109’s “woe is me” comments are more about calling out the excuses that some foreigners cling to instead of finding a way to make things work on our island. Sure, it’s tough for those who can’t renounce and regain, (but not nearly as tough as it was for @anon24369109 who was essentially stateless with absolutely no ID, not even an ARC for many months) but sitting around complaining about it won’t change anything. If anything, his story—and mine—should be seen as examples that, despite the challenges, there are ways to achieve what you want here.
And honestly, if people would stop focusing on why they can’t do something and start thinking about how they can, maybe they’d find a path forward too.
@Mataiou is a great example of this. He actively searched the laws and found that Italians have a process for resuming too. (Something that had been law for many, many years but no other Italian knew of prior to him).
Overall I hope the law does change so we can all be Taiwanese compatriots.
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For those of us who can’t renounce and regain, all the mockery and “woe is me” schtick is unhelpful at best and grating at worst.
I could not renounce and resume. Such was life. Woe am I.
My life went on. Even being truly stateless was not such a bad experience. Not saying you should try it but many people can live their lives without official papers to tell them whether or not they exist. ![]()
Overall I hope the law does change so we can all be Taiwanese compatriots.
This we agree on.
I could not renounce and resume.
And yet you did. Stunning and brave.
Such was life.
Nice to see you changing things up from “woe is me.”
And yet you did. Stunning and brave.
yeah I had a 13 year vacation of not being a dual citizen. Woe are those who choose not to naturalize then complain about those who have, or the renunciation law. They want this ROC citizenship, they need this ROC citizenship they tell me. but dang it’s just not possible. They live in the realm of what is not possible.
I never saved anything for the hope of resuming my citizenship. I got the better end of the deal. It’s not required for me to live in Taiwan with citizenship elsewhere. For those with tear stained eyes wanting citizenship without renunciation I’d like to help.
For me naturalization was like coming home. For others even with citizenship here they claim Taiwan will never be their home. They just having a tenure here till they become nomads elsewhere.
This is the way of the modern world.
Not stunning nor brave. I knew the law, I knew what my consequences would be. Taiwan punished me by granting me citizenship. Since then I have had to sit back while others wail about Taiwan’s so called dual standard unjust unfair laws.
I’m sorry I didn’t have time to whine and mope about. I required citizenship so I went ahead and got it. At the time I was running an immigration consultancy for 10 years helping people ( had many foreign clients as well ) immigrate to Canada Australia NZ. Did I bemoan there rights to become Australian citizens and keep their original nationality and have dual citizenship when Australians would lose theirs if they got citizenship elsewhere. Not one bit. All I did was what my clients did, get citizenship of another country.
yeah I had a 13 year vacation of not being a dual citizen.
And then Australian law changed. Were you involved in lobbying for that change?
Not stunning nor brave.
Yeah, that’s basically what I was saying. You got lucky.
And yet you did. Stunning and brave.
He got out lucky. No one can predict the future.
Maybe if you renounce now you might get yours back in 13 years. ![]()
And then Australian law changed. Were you involved in lobbying for that change?
Not at all. I didn’t even know about it when it was enacted. There wasn’t a petition for it in Australia afaik. I don’t follow Australian laws or politics or changes there. Don’t live there don’t really have any interest in the country. It’s just a place I was born. It’s not my home. Dual citizenship was allowed in Australia in April 2002 but that change did not allow resumption. Such was life. Mattered not to me.