2024 August Dual Nationality Petition Open Discussion

There was a thread about a member here approaching the MOI but nothing came from it.

I haven’t been a foreigner here since 1998 so no do not know what foreigners rights I may have missed out on. The only thing I did not do on my ARC was vote. Everything else I was able to do from 1989 to 1998 on my ARC.

Was on IDP for driving for over a year ( stamped at DMV ) but got my drivers license in 1990. Was told it was impossible. Main issue was very few people had an ARC back then.

my drivers license length was linked to my ARC but I think it was three years then another three years can’t remember how long it was when changed to citizen. They made it to old age I believe in the last ten years cannot remember.

No idea what you mean by me benefitting from foreigners rights. Foreigners rights have not been an issue for me for over 25 years.

Yes people try to improve things. That’s part of living in a society.

Hartzell did a lot for foreigners rights like getting APRC JFRV and driver license issues. But none of that benefitted me. I was already a citizen.

Some good stories here

Yep no issues with you reading it wrong and getting clarification.
A lot of services like NHI ( 1995 ) etc did not exist before I naturalized. So yes some changes were for all not just a foreigner thing.

You might want to read up then, might have a better idea what folks are talking about koving forward in terms of evolution and fighting for human rights :slight_smile: your privileges were built on the backs of others. As are peoples rights now built on the backs of the previous.

Taiwan wasn’t a very open country before…ya know. (?). That’s why it’s nice we fight for others, even if it doesn’t directly affect you this second.

People that watch this trash, especially those that only watch TV, are part of the problem we need to start solving. My proxy is always we need to educate kids better in schools so they aren’t drones watching this trailer trash level crap.

Good ideas or not, this type of presentation is problematic for society becoming more intelligent. Cringey beyond all fuck!

But ya, we are dealing with thus level of intelligence. Yikes. Hence the need for more people getting involved. Just teaching kids to recycle is a ucking step forward now a days :persevere:

I got here not long after martial law ended. So I guess I didn’t know Taiwan wasn’t a very open country. Thanks for keeping me updated.
I did all the things foreigners were telling me could not be done in the 1980’s and 1990’s. I just got lucky I guess. I was too busy doing my own thing to be worried about what other foreigners were telling me could or could not be done in this country on an ARC. My priviliges in this country certainly didn’t come from any foreigners living here. Good luck with getting the renunciation requirement removed. You’re going to need that and a little bit more from the politicians in this country.

I can’t wait to see the governments response and how they will word it.

No worries… Even the best of us are ignorant and arrogant sometimes, despite living here for decades . No harm in looking back and course correcting. Youre more than welcome, friend :smiling_face_with_tear:

Holy fuck, 吳子龍 is such a grifter. I think it was last year I was walking with my girlfriend near 新竹公園, there was some sort of event going on and I could hear what sounded like really bad KTV going on. When we got closer, turned out it was him doing a live concert of a horribly sung 台語 song. Turned out he was peddling a new “album.” Sometimes I wish I had no shame and could cash grab like that.

No wonder why foreigners don’t get much privileges. Only very few people like Hartzell did some great things.

But many, like Hartzell once becoming citizens become disillusioned because the foreign community as a whole don’t do much real legwork (other than complain on forums or sign petitions that someone who hasn’t even been here 5 years has made)

I’m starting too tbh… the thread on the Chinese test for aprc really pushed me over the hedge. Why am I even trying to help those ppl who don’t want to help themselves? (Some can’t be helped at all, whatever)

Haha this is one of the dumbest maps to prove a point you could have chosen.
South America for one lol.
What languages do you think they speak there ?

The worm is turning.

Am I not a grifter also then?

I’m sure you can tell me about all the things I didn’t know about since I immigrated to Taiwan. Please do educate me lol You surely can fill in all the gaps of knowledge about Taiwan I am so sorely ignorant of.

I have some mountains, gravel pits, farms and factories to show you then. If you think that’s all foreigners do…not to be mean, but hats just ignorance :slight_smile: some of us live in the real world and see real shit.

Youve been here long enough. You should know enough to either know better or not pretend to. My sarcasm is following yours. Let’s not be daft. Why not consider previous points instead :slight_smile:

If you’re not that interested in helping, silence is perfectly alright.

The “I’m too busy” excuse really doesn’t work for me.

I personally work 2-3 jobs with one being full time and raise a daughter. (For a while as a single dad)

Yet, I still had enough time to work on the banking rights whenever I came across an issue in Taiwan.

When I posted some issues on Facebook (and even Forumosa but less so) I was met with ridicule by many foreigners (most been here for many years).

I’m kind of curious where you are hearing this. I work multiple jobs, have kid, also just make time for thungs I care about, often for free or even at cost to myself. As do most foreigners I know. I’m just curious what your reply is getting at in terms of what I said. Thats been my whole point this thread. we should do more, care more, even if a person already did it and has gone native and is super cool. It’s still worth working harder to better other peoples lives…if anything, once someone has achieved such levels of amazing Ness, I would argue it’s even more important theyvpush harder than the poorest that are still digging their way upwards.

As you say. No excuses.

The counterargument to that though is Taiwan doesn’t pay for HIV treatment for foreigners now. That was the compromise. Meaning that APRC foreigners who contract HIV in Taiwan are not covered. (I’d say that made things worse… I would prefer there to be no HIV foreigners coming to Taiwan and Taiwan treat those who do contract it (in Taiwan preferably but nothing stopping them from travelling…) after getting residency.

Source, please. Thanks.

Guy