8 Divers reported missing off Seven Stars (Kending)

[quote=“headhonchoII”]It seems they split into two groups of four to increase their chances of being spotted and tied themselves together taking turns to swim and rest. One groups headed what they thought was north and the other south. Great stuff.
I don’t know anything about diving but why doesn’t every diver carry GPS units in this day and age, or at least the lead diver?[/quote]

They are coming, but keep in mind the unit would have to be watertight down to at least 50meters to be of any use.

Sure sounds like a dangerous place to dive!
I’ve heard of hikers being located from their cellphone signals and rescued.
Would it make sense when diving to carry an old cellphone sealed in some waterproof bag that could possibly be used in SAR in the same way?
From the sound of it, their range probably would have allowed them to text message.
If possible they could even have a certain number they dial in such an event.

Turning cell phones into lifelines
news.com/Turning-cell-phones … 40794.html

We’re drifting away from the story :smiley:

Are there more details? LIke how many hours were they in the water? How did they split into two groups with one group going north and one south as someone said, if they are simply at the mercy of the current?

How were they finally spotted? etc. DEtails please.

Incredible story of survival .

Good thing the current brings them closer to shore, otherwise? They could be wayyyyy far by now?

Should/Can divers carry flares?

ok taipei times got in this news:

taipeitimes.com/News/front/a … 2003410551

Agreed, which is why we should prune the non essentials.

Shellbackdiver or fins are probably best able to get the latest once the media furor has died down. They dive/teach/lead dives in Kenting for a living and will be able to first hand update this thread as soon as they go down there for their next dives. His updates on Scubaboard vs forumosa are probably because he knew as a dedicated scuba forum, time and threads wouldn’t be wasted on side tracking nonsense like sharks and GPS’s wrapped in Glad bags.

We know from the news reports that they’d split up into two groups, that they were indeed swept eastward by a bottom counter-current (most likely NE) and then up the east coast once they encountered the Black River (Kurushio current). The wiseness of splitting up into two groups I’m sure will be debated for a long time to come, but regardless of the decisions made…Who the fuck cares?

They are in great shape, and are home. The fact that some of them walked out on their own two feet after 2 full days of exposure and dehydration shows some serious mental toughness. There will be some great lessons learned from their experience, and I hope that their stories are willingly told throughout the diving community. It will be an inspiration to all of us…These guys beat some pretty amazing odds.

The last group was plucked out after signaling with their camera strobes…Just for the record, an underwater outfit external strobe is much more powerful than it’s above water counterpart, as water is 800x denser than air. In other words, as a signal light they are unsurpassed and can be spotted for miles.

It was absolutely exhilarating to see them walk off the helicopter, swollen lips and all.

very touching story, and the divers were very calm throughout the situation…
glad this one had a happy ending

A tough, brave crew. Fantastic to see them beat the odds and live through this unharmed.

In the paper the guy swimming to shore for 10 hours was saying he only made it because he kept thinking that he would like a cool sports drink.
Can you say endorsement deal?
He deserves one.

Turns out one of the divers is a friend of the brother of a friend of my wife.

I had to read that 3x just to figure out what it meant.

The picture attatched to that TaipeiTimes article shows how badly sunburnt they were. The guys lips and hands were pretty fried.

Thank the lord for full wetsuits.

Hats off to the groups resilience.

i think that applies to about everybody… 2.67 degrees of separation, afterall!

I think that applies to about everybody… 2.67 degrees of separation, afterall![/quote]

Ironic that the dive leader’s very first dive on 7 stars was with us last year…

Now that they are ashore, have had some time to rest up and rehydrate, enough communication has been passed along for us to make an approximate summation of what happened.

Firstly, they chose the wrong day to dive. As pointed out in earlier posts, the tides were wrong for the site, the transition from NE trades to SW monsoon winds too recent, and heavy swells that built up over the morning.

The media did make a mistake describing the second dive itself. His plan was to dive the site to the northeast and have the boat pick them up on the northeast backside of the site. Unfortunately, a counter current running along the bottom was shoving the divers to the south east. The boat and the divers at this point were already going in totally opposite directions. With a strong counter current blowing them away from the boat, they would have been blown off the site in a matter of just a few minutes. The boat meanwhile, following the prevailing wind-driven surface current, would have continued to the NE to await the divers on the backside of the rocks. The underwater topography and proximity to hazards prevents the dive boats from directly following the divers from above.

Once blown off the dive site, the divers would collect themselves, and end the dive early. It didn’t matter. that first few minutes traveling in opposite directions would have given them huge separation. They would have been separated by time, swells and each being affected by opposing currents. The dive boat, still unaware of the bottom countercurrent, would have been keeping his search to the northeast for at least the length of the shortest divers air (maybe 40minutes?).

My own experience from last years dive showed me that once the current goes around the NE section of the site, it tends to stay NE. The captain would have been waiting right where I was picked up last year for his charges to appear. Meanwhile, they would have been driven increasingly further SE. All had safety balloons. Since I was on the same boat, I can tell you that they saw my balloon from a distance of less than 200meters, and that was with moderate swells. In other words, there was no way in hades that they would be spotted from the dive boat.

At some point in time later that afternoon, they caught the break that saved their lives. The combination of SW winds and getting into the Kurushio current began to carry them northward. Biggest worries through the night would not have been sharks, but getting run down by a commercial vessel.

They most likely were east of Oluanpi by morning, and scooting up the coast. Not having any water would have sucked. Throughout the day, they would have been within easy sight of land, but totally unable to reach it.

This is where the story gets interesting for me, and I can’t wait to hear this part in person. The east coast’s coastline takes a decided eastward turn towards Taimali in Taidong, and the westermost edge of the Kurushio current nearly comes into the surf-line. In other words, did he start his “Sport drink swim” too early? How far offshore was he when he started? Did he know enough about the lay of the land to realize he could have had a much, much shorter time of it just by drifting farther northward?

Then at some point the groups split up, one north and one south. This to me is where exposure and dehydration are beginning to seriously affect judgment. First off, nobody can swim against a 4knot major oceanic current, so going south was out of the question. And because the coastline takes an eastward turn in this area, there is only one direction a person attempting to go south against this can go…East, which is where they were picked up. In other words, away from rescue. These last two got very lucky, lucky they had their strobes, and lucky the skies were overcast…On a sunny day their strobe flashes would have been lost in the water reflection when looking down from a helicopter or plane, just as they were on the first afternoon when they tried.

So now what? We are supposed to try and dive 7star toward the end of the month. It, along with Orchid and the Green Island hammerhead dives are yearly quests for those of us who love to dive. Will we be allowed to? Will they close the site for another 2 years like they did after the 98 incident?

This affects my desire not one whit…In fact, I long for the gin clear water the remoteness of the site, and the full, rich sealife such remoteness affords, a real rarity in the Kenting area. In fact, the dives I’ve been on out there have been remarkably smooth, a direct, 100% result of COMPETENT PRE DIVE PLANNING on the part of fins.

There is one thing that would improve the safety of the dive a great deal IMHO. The boats that take us out there are large, V-hull vessels that have to drop and run. This leaves a sort of dead zone, where the boat is out of sight of the dive group for a time as he’s forced to deeper water to maneuver until he spots his charges on the back side of the seamount. Much like the NASA birds re-entry with their 3minute radio dead zone, it is a time where all kinds of bad things can happen without the boat captains knowledge. Case in point, this group encountered the bottom countercurrent during this time. I was dropped in the wrong location last year, the boat moved out to deeper water and…Voila, opposite ends of the seamount. The 98 incident was also similar.

A zodiac type dinghy that could follow the divers throughout the dive and nearer the rocks would make all the difference. With an extremely shallow draft a zodiac operator would have noticed the countercurrent by watching the divers bubbles as they ascended the water column. Once blown off the site, a simple matter of signaling the boat and staying on top of them would have made the dive more of a bummer than a near tragedy. As it was, the maneuvering dead spot allowed the divers to be blown far off the site unnoticed. This could happen on any freaky current day, and the worse the weather, the longer the boat will be out of visual contact with the divers. The dinghy would also have the ability to pluck the divers out of harms way and back to the dive boat without risk to the deep hull vessel trying to maneuver close in to the rocks. Two boats in a search grid are many times better than one, and a dinghy could rapidly deploy to any area where an errant single diver may have been separated and return while the dive boat remains on station to pick up the remainder of the dive group.

MJB

With the capabilities of modern electronics, wouldn’t it be quite easy to make a small and not-too-expensive satellite positioning system tracking device that would enable divers’ location to be pinpointed no matter where they surfaced? Something like this, perhaps?

[quote=“MJB”] Will they close the site for another 2 years like they did after the 98 incident?
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Maybe so. They said on the news this rescue op cost like 20 million N.T. of which I’m sure the divers aren’t going to pay.
From what’s being said it sounds like the decision to dive there was a wrong one and some kind of control needs to be put in place to protect divers and prevent another 20 million search op.
Perhaps the government could require boat captains to first radio in their observations of conditions before being given permission to dive?

This looks pretty good!
Maybe should import some!

The Sea Marshall® Diver ‘SOS’ Alerting Unit gives you the full support of the SAR services worldwide should you need it. In the event you become separated from the diver boat , simply switch on your SMRS8-LD ‘SOS’ unit and rescuers can home straight to you, day or night.

Depth rated to Over 100 meters without a pressure Proof container
High Visibility 1 meters ‘SOS’ Flashing Light Cord/ Antenna!

seamarshall-us.com/scuba-div … eacon.html

Well I know a little more then what has been broadcast on the news channels. The information that I have mainly deals with fishing boats reported seeing divers in the water and radioed as such to the boat captain prior to the divers being missing. All the other stuff that I know is just hear say and not worth mentioning.

Having the right skill set, abiding by proper procedures and having a detailed dive plan involving the boat captain would have avoided this entire situation…no matter the above and below conditions.

Safe Diving
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Another diver has gone missing. Hope he is as lucky as the last 8.

6th article down on this page:
Search for missing diver off Yilan coast continues.
Taipei, May 5 (CNA) Coast guard forces continued their search Friday for a diver who went missing in waters off the eastern county of Yilan the day before.
cnanews.gov.tw/eng/ceplist.php?class=3J

[quote=“MJB”] His updates on Scubaboard vs forumosa are probably because he knew as a dedicated scuba forum, time and threads wouldn’t be wasted on side tracking nonsense like sharks and GPS’s wrapped in Glad bags.

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there was a thread a few month back about elitism from certain persons regarding their jobs /hobbies,

with all due respect MJB this type of reply is why divers really do make my skin crawl…

to you,it sound downright stupid if anyones ask questions regarding precautions,but i can assure you that to the non-diver,it seem pretty ridiculous to hear those stories of divers getting lost,with just their arms to flail about…

there are plenty of GPS on the market,

my belief is that divers are much keener on buying the latest flashy gear with which they can “hey looky me…i’ve got the YZr6000,double coated…what you got? nowt??? huhu…Looser!” than actually own a life saving device that might never be used

[quote=“dablindfrog”][quote=“MJB”] His updates on Scubaboard vs forumosa are probably because he knew as a dedicated scuba forum, time and threads wouldn’t be wasted on side tracking nonsense like sharks and GPS’s wrapped in Glad bags.

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with all due respect MJB this type of reply is why divers really do make my skin crawl…
there are plenty of GPS on the market,
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Things that make your skin crawl…Hmm, talk about the scratching the hand that feeds you :slight_smile: I have an ointment for that actually, it’s called “moveawayfromthededicateddiveresortown” I know the name is long, but it’s 100% effective in curing what ails you.

With all due respect.

I apologize for sounding elitist, it was not my intention. My point was that diving GPS’s are simply not yet mainstream equipment in the local diving community. Keep in mind where you live is the tech diving capital of Asia, and they might be more common there. I saw not one diver carrying one, however, when I dove there in January, nor were they for sale in any of the dive shops. Granted they are available, but I’ve never physically seen one. Have you?

I do carry a safety balloon/reel, a CD for signaling, my camera/strobe, whistle, and flashlight every time I hit the water. Better than that I study tide charts, weather reports and sea conditions before I do a dive…anywhere. At 7 star, I had a competent, experienced instructor/guide who provided maps, local conditions, prevailing currents and an exit plan if something went wrong.

Will a GPS be standard equipment on divers must have list? Yep, I’m sure in a year or two they will become quite mainstream. But, in this case it’s not fair to judge divers for not possessing a high tech gadget that has really only been on the market for a short while, and it’s doubly unfair to accuse someone of ignoring a bit of safety gear when most don’t even know it exists for a diving application.

There is a large dive show happening in Taipei next weekend…I’ll let you know how many diving dedicated GPS units I see there.

MJB,

Making frog’s skin crawl everywhere. :smiley: