A Personal Statement from Zain Dean

There’s a guy in Kaohsiung people have been helping with hospital bills just recently. He got hit by a car. The people in the car were young and very drunk locals. He was in a coma for a while. I don’t know all the details. I heard he injured his eyes and he probably lost the use of one of them while the other isn’t certain to make a full recovery. Broken jaw, broken leg, broken hip, cracked skull that required multiple brain surgeries and the list goes on… I also heard that he is not recovering well mentally. He has no recollection of what really happened and he thinks he was a fighter pilot who crashed his airplane.

It’s all hearsay so I’m not sure how accurate it all is. One thing for certain is that he got hurt very badly. I don’t think it made the news but it was not a hit and run. The drunken couple stopped at the scene. I heard the victim had also been drinking. I wonder if he would have avoided the collision had he been sober himself…

[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“citizen k”]

Also, there was another involving a teacher from TAS that I heard about through the grapevine; not too clear on the details, but the last I heard he was in a coma and it looked grim…
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He passed away sadly. Was crossing the street at the Zhongshan Tienmu E/W Rd. intersection. Not sure about the details.[/quote]
That’s what I heard too. I don’t know any further details about it either.

[quote=“RobinTaiwan”]There’s a guy in Kaohsiung people have been helping with hospital bills just recently. He got hit by a car. The people in the car were young and very drunk locals. He was in a coma for a while. I don’t know all the details. I heard he injured his eyes and he probably lost the use of one of them while the other isn’t certain to make a full recovery. Broken jaw, broken leg, broken hip, cracked skull that required multiple brain surgeries and the list goes on… I also heard that he is not recovering well mentally. He has no recollection of what really happened and he thinks he was a fighter pilot who crashed his airplane.

It’s all hearsay so I’m not sure how accurate it all is. One thing for certain is that he got hurt very badly. I don’t think it made the news but it was not a hit and run. The drunken couple stopped at the scene. I heard the victim had also been drinking. I wonder if he would have avoided the collision had he been sober himself…[/quote]

Yes unfortunately overthe years many young here have had nasty accidents. Many have never ridden scooters or motorcycles before arriving in Taiwan, and many of them have also had accidents from being drunk. It doesnt really matter whose fault it is when they are lying in a hospital bed or pass away. Accidents happen. Some are just self inflicted misfortune and some are caused by others.

[quote=“Satellite TV”][quote=“RobinTaiwan”]There’s a guy in Kaohsiung people have been helping with hospital bills just recently. He got hit by a car. The people in the car were young and very drunk locals. He was in a coma for a while. I don’t know all the details. I heard he injured his eyes and he probably lost the use of one of them while the other isn’t certain to make a full recovery. Broken jaw, broken leg, broken hip, cracked skull that required multiple brain surgeries and the list goes on… I also heard that he is not recovering well mentally. He has no recollection of what really happened and he thinks he was a fighter pilot who crashed his airplane.

It’s all hearsay so I’m not sure how accurate it all is. One thing for certain is that he got hurt very badly. I don’t think it made the news but it was not a hit and run. The drunken couple stopped at the scene. I heard the victim had also been drinking. I wonder if he would have avoided the collision had he been sober himself…[/quote]

Yes unfortunately overthe years many young here have had nasty accidents. Many have never ridden scooters or motorcycles before arriving in Taiwan, and many of them have also had accidents from being drunk. It doesnt really matter whose fault it is when they are lying in a hospital bed or pass away. Accidents happen. Some are just self inflicted misfortune and some are caused by others.[/quote]I agree. That’s how the story goes, indeed.

58 pages of speculation and blowhardery.

I think more people need to adhere to the Plato quote in Hippo-boy’s sig.

Best advice I think, is always look both ways before you cross the street. And always pray before you get on your scooter, to whatever God you believe in. Driving in Taiwan is out of mother freaking control, somebody should sit them down and teach proper driving skills. :pray:

It is funny because the driving test has some good points, but once you leave the door nobody seems to remember them. :raspberry: Heck you fail the scooter or car test, you end up driving home on the scooter or car you arrived on. Something is flawed in that system I think… :doh:

[quote=“tcarnagan”]Best advice I think, is always look both ways before you cross the street. And always pray before you get on your scooter, to whatever God you believe in. Driving in Taiwan is out of mother freaking control, somebody should sit them down and teach proper driving skills. :pray:

It is funny because the driving test has some good points, but once you leave the door nobody seems to remember them. :raspberry: Heck you fail the scooter or car test, you end up driving home on the scooter or car you arrived on. Something is flawed in that system I think… :doh:[/quote]
Some of those scooter punks have awesome driving skills. In fact there should be many more accidents here than presently.

[quote=“fenlander”]
Some of those scooter punks have awesome driving skills. In fact there should be many more accidents here than presently.[/quote]

Cheers fen, your admiration is appreciated :sunglasses:

These accidents happen in the US too. Here’s one that’s remarkably similar to some of the other cases talked about, but in this case, despite being caught, he’s getting away with it – because he has MONEY.
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I am completely disgusted. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327323/Morgan-Stanley-financial-adviser-escapes-felony-charges-hit-run-jeopardise-job.html

I observed a one of Zain Dean’s court appearances this morning, and it was an eye-opening experience.

Let me preface what I’m about to say with a bit of a disclaimer: Zain was one of four roomates I lived with back in 95/96 and although we’ve never been close friends, we’ve always had a friendly relationship. I’ve been pretty neutral about his guilt or innocence up to now because to be blunt, I wasn’t at the scene of the accident and I couldn’t say speculate with any certainty that I knew what had happened on that night last March. Am I biased because of my association with Zain? I’ll let you be the judge of that.

Today I heard three witnesses speak. The first witness was brought forth in handcuffs - he’s currently in jail serving time for another, unrelated offence. He was vague and rebuked by the judge for giving contradictory statements. He finally expressed in exasperation that he really didn’t remember the events of that night very clearly and didn’t want to be “in the middle of this”. The second witness, the alleged driver, was a slouching 20-something year old, with ripped jeans hanging halfway down his ass and long-ish Japanese pop star-style disheveled hair. He mumbled his way unconvincingly through his testimony, only to be rebuked by the judge to “get his story straight”. According to Zain’s lawyer, with whom I spoke briefly afterwards, his testimony also contradicted his earlier statements. Zain’s lawyer seemed pretty pleased with the shabby performances of these two guys. The third witness was Zain’s girlfriend, who was clear-spoken, gentle, and concise. She gave a very solid account of what had happened after they had discovered the damage to the car and why they had decided not to repair it.

After seeing the complete lack of a case on the side of the prosecution, and talking to Zain and his lawyer and hearing what they had to say, I’ve got to say that I can’t imagine the judge finding Zain guilty. In fact, I’d be happy to take some friendly wagers, if anyone wants to be parted with their cash that badly.

As happy as I am for Zain that the case against him seems to be completely unraveling, I’m still dismayed by the way the media presented their own verdict, before the facts of the case were even known, and of course I’m very sorry for the family of the victim, surely the biggest losers in this whole sordid affair.

Hmmmmmmm, so no one killed the victim.

[quote=“maoman”]
As happy as I am for Zain that the case against him seems to be completely unraveling, I’m still dismayed by the way the media presented their own verdict, before the facts of the case were even known, and of course I’m very sorry for the family of the victim, surely the biggest losers in this whole sordid affair.[/quote]

The more it pans out this way, the more his statement in its entirety gains credence, what I find a lot more dismaying is the behavior of the cops described within. not much from them or the media should surprise anyone though, of course.

Oh, there was a hit-and-run accident, no doubt about that. It just seems that (Gasp!) the initial police report was a sham, and the media fell for it hook, line, and sinker. It seems that there is now no physical evidence to corroborate the original investigating officer’s version of events, and the 3 witnesses that are supposed to attest to that officer’s version of the facts of that night are in order, whereabouts unknown, in jail, and suspiciously shady and incoherent.

I’m pretty sure though, that even if Zain is found innocent or acquitted, nobody will prosecute the driver that night, because that would also implicate the police, as well as a local politician who jumped on the “crucify the foreigner” bandwagon, and that just wouldn’t do. :s

I’m pretty sure though, that even if Zain is found innocent or acquitted, nobody will prosecute the driver that night, because that would also implicate the police, as well as a local politician who jumped on the “crucify the foreigner” bandwagon, and that just wouldn’t do. :s[/quote]
Dean can prosecute can he not? If he can they I hope he does. He can open up a Paypal donation page and I will donate the price equivalent of a few beers and if everyone else does too then he can drag that “officer” and politician before the courts. Well if you open up a donation page in the future Mao I would donate to that to help with prosecution. It would make them less willing to jump on the band wagon in future. If Dean is innocent then he should take those parties to civil court at least. Can this be done? I wanna see that cop hung drawn and quartered IF he did indeed trump up or even fake them.

I’m pretty sure though, that even if Zain is found innocent or acquitted, nobody will prosecute the driver that night, because that would also implicate the police, as well as a local politician who jumped on the “crucify the foreigner” bandwagon, and that just wouldn’t do. :s[/quote]
Dean can prosecute can he not? If he can they I hope he does. He can open up a Paypal donation page and I will donate the price equivalent of a few beers and if everyone else does too then he can drag that “officer” and politician before the courts. Well if you open up a donation page in the future Mao I would donate to that to help with prosecution. It would make them less willing to jump on the band wagon in future. If Dean is innocent then he should take those parties to civil court at least. Can this be done? I wanna see that cop hung drawn and quartered IF he did indeed trump up or even fake them.[/quote]Put me down for a $10,000 NTD donation if Mr. Dean really does take them to civil court.

Does Zain get his life back in a box like at the beginning of “the Blues Brothers” when Jake gets his stuff back from the prison?
How about his legal fees? His reputation? Does his girlfriend get a year back of her life not to mention Zain’s life? Does the politician apologize to him in public? Does he get a giant Hong Bao from Ma, Ying-Jiu and tickets to a KMT cruise ship to visit Green Island and it’s retired prison?
Do the newspapers print out headlines-
“Zain’s NOT Guilty! Sorry We Were Xenophobic Ass-merchants!”
“Oh Well We ARE The Apple Daily -Bound To get A few stories wrong”
“Pai-Say, Zain-We Love Foreigners Actually!”
“SO Sorry Zain-Taiwan Wants to Touch Your Heart!”

Do all his neighbors suddenly throw a picnic in a park like in a Kapra movie with a brass band playing “For He’s a Jolly Ole Fellow” and shake hands with him as a bag piper plays and he drives away waving from a limo heading to Tao Yuan Airport?

Who killed the delivery kid? When will they find the person and punish them? Is there a new investigation underway? …I ain’t holding my breath. :2cents:

Maybe something will come out of it. The poor guy’s relatives are gonna be pissed. The cops and politician are gonna look like large penises. No one will give a crap about Zain of course except in as much as his presence if he sticks around will be an embarrassment. The media will treat the story like a scabbing leprous goat.

[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“maoman”]
As happy as I am for Zain that the case against him seems to be completely unraveling, I’m still dismayed by the way the media presented their own verdict, before the facts of the case were even known, and of course I’m very sorry for the family of the victim, surely the biggest losers in this whole sordid affair.[/quote]

The more it pans out this way, the more his statement in its entirety gains credence, what I find a lot more dismaying is the behavior of the cops described within. not much from them or the media should surprise anyone though, of course.[/quote]

As someone pointed out earlier, Mr. Dean is in “marketing” and knows how to present information that gives the target audience (us) the most favorable impression of the product (himself). The prosecutors apparently never “prepped” their witnesses (isn’t there a saying about never putting someone on the stand without knowing exactly what they’re going to say?), but the incoherence of their testimony only proves to me that long-haired 20-somethings who work the graveyard shift at seedy KTV joints don’t always possess the eloquence of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Does this kid seem like someone the powers that be would conspire to protect?

If Mr. Dean does beat the rap and sues the hell out of everyone involved, I hope he’ll see fit to give most of the proceeds to the dead guy’s family. While he may not have been directly responsible, if he had told Mr. “X” he’s leaving Taiwan for good in a couple of days so, unfortunately, whatever business deals to be closed over playing “rocks, scissors, paper” would be for naught, their son would most likely not have been hit by Mr. Dean’s car that early morning.

MM. one note of caution. Some judges hold their cards very tightly and will sometimes bluff to encourage one side or the other to disclose more. It’s really hard to read what the judge is actually thinking. The judge is also the jury here (as in most European countries). He is less likely than a jury to be swayed by the appearance of a witness. But I agree that from your account, there is reason to be cautiously optimistic.

The problem for Zain is though that even if this judge acquits him, that will probably not be the end of the case. The prosecutor can, and in a high profile case like this probably will, appeal. So he can be tried again. This double jeopardy is one of the worst things about the Taiwanese legal system in my opinion because it can drag things out for many years without resolution.

[quote=“maoman”]I observed a one of Zain Dean’s court appearances this morning, and it was an eye-opening experience.

Let me preface what I’m about to say with a bit of a disclaimer: Zain was one of four roomates I lived with back in 95/96 and although we’ve never been close friends, we’ve always had a friendly relationship. I’ve been pretty neutral about his guilt or innocence up to now because to be blunt, I wasn’t at the scene of the accident and I couldn’t say speculate with any certainty that I knew what had happened on that night last March. Am I biased because of my association with Zain? I’ll let you be the judge of that.

Today I heard three witnesses speak. The first witness was brought forth in handcuffs - he’s currently in jail serving time for another, unrelated offence. He was vague and rebuked by the judge for giving contradictory statements. He finally expressed in exasperation that he really didn’t remember the events of that night very clearly and didn’t want to be “in the middle of this”. The second witness, the alleged driver, was a slouching 20-something year old, with ripped jeans hanging halfway down his ass and long-ish Japanese pop star-style disheveled hair. He mumbled his way unconvincingly through his testimony, only to be rebuked by the judge to “get his story straight”. According to Zain’s lawyer, with whom I spoke briefly afterwards, his testimony also contradicted his earlier statements. Zain’s lawyer seemed pretty pleased with the shabby performances of these two guys. The third witness was Zain’s girlfriend, who was clear-spoken, gentle, and concise. She gave a very solid account of what had happened after they had discovered the damage to the car and why they had decided not to repair it.

After seeing the complete lack of a case on the side of the prosecution, and talking to Zain and his lawyer and hearing what they had to say, I’ve got to say that I can’t imagine the judge finding Zain guilty. In fact, I’d be happy to take some friendly wagers, if anyone wants to be parted with their cash that badly.

As happy as I am for Zain that the case against him seems to be completely unraveling, I’m still dismayed by the way the media presented their own verdict, before the facts of the case were even known, and of course I’m very sorry for the family of the victim, surely the biggest losers in this whole sordid affair.[/quote]

I, for one, would certainly like to see the man vindicated and the perpetrator(s) brought to justice, if nothing else than to selfishly be able to say “ptui” to those who have prematurely convicted him, and I’m not talking about the local media or the locals.