Afghanistan is at war (again)

In Cuba? They’d have assurance no country would have nukes snuggled up against their ass. Meanwhile, they could have nukes in Japan and in Taiwan.

Putin seemed to make sure the Ukraine didn’t become such a point. They are fucked now. Shouldn’t have given up those nukes the first time.

I’d like see robots mining and building these on the moon and then have people come set up a base and be on the ready.

Why is the Afghan army so shit? Are they even fighting? They’ve lost a crazy amount of territory really quickly.

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They are flip floppers.

Alexander did and Greek DNA still is evident two thousand years later. We need a reconquista. Not Spain but the old Greek territories.
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Unfortunately this generation cares more about woke shart

The US had NO business going to Afghanistan. They had NO business going to Iraq either.

Fact is the puppet government the US set up is frankly incompetent, similar to South Vietnam, and look what that got them. So they made their bed, now they have to sleep in it.

All of this could have been avoided if the US just minded their own F***ing business and stick to keeping maritime routes open and not fighting useless wars of “containment”. But I suspect the military industrial complex (of which is the largest in the world) wanted useless wars to be fought.

As George Orwell says, war is an internal affair problem.

Sure. Why though? Surely the military perspective differs from say short term political negligence and corruption. I don’t see many former generals in the billionaire club yet. In the billionaire Orbit maybe but that’s nothing new.

Generals do not declare or start wars, they follow orders.

Congress declare wars, Presidents seems to get an almost unilateral voice to prosecute wars without Congress’s consent.

Think about the billions, more like almost a trillion spent each year on war in the US. Big aerospace and defense contractors get a huge percentage of it. If there are no enemies to fight then their existence becomes redundant.

The US is not a republic or whatever you want to call it, it is a country where its leaders are held hostage by the dollar to do what big corporations want them to do.

Why did Obama start reducing military budget by cutting soldier and veteran’s pay or benefits? Because that is the only thing he can touch without pissing off his corporate overlords.

Some companies in the US can literally occupy countries themselves. They are almost no different than countries.

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This is a discussion that was had often when I was in Afghanistan. But look at it from the flip side - a lot the Taliban are the true believers. The Afghan security forces are mostly there for a pay check. They’re also neighbors, clansmen, extended family. How much of a fight would you put up against zealot neighbors - even ones you really disagreed with - for a paycheck?

The Afghanis don’t seem particularly ultraviolent - have a look around the world. Hell, have a look at the U.S., and how often we’ve been a war (it’s much, much easier to look at when we’ve NOT been at war btw. it’s like 8 minutes).

Many backed some military action. A whole lot of people were concerned about a big clusterfuck of a protracted military operation.

Let’s be clear - it’s civilian leadership that authorizes and funds these activities. We can’t let ourselves off the hook by blaming the MI complet.

No. The moab strike was early 2017. 2017 and 2018 were bad casualty years in Afghanistan.

When do you think soldiers’ pay was cut?

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I read in places that Afghanistan simply isn’t really a unified country with a political party that has majority support, but rather just series of tribes that happens to be in an artificial box called “Afghanistan”. So it means the Afghan government is simply a puppet regime that people work for a paycheck, and seems they are not getting paid at all.

It’s basically like South Vietnam, no real support, incompetent governance.

America and Britain should step up and take in a lot more refugees than they did from the Syrian conflict this time. Especially US. It’s not good enough to take in interpreters and abandon all the rest.

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In addition to my previous comments, seems to me modern militaries work when they have a strong institutional foundation. I see no evidence that exists in Afghanistan. Ok, we trained them up on tactics, how to fight, and then… What? How are discipline, corruption, logistics, pay, etc. handled? We talk about the sacrifices our military have made over there, doing rotations through there, but what about the military there, seeing a constant rotation of advisers and trainers? What ongoing support and professional enterprise do they have?

Edit: and in the years we’ve had Americans there doing training and going on patrol with these guys, we’ve had a whole lot of air support, overwatch,.and ability to otherwise call in death from up high. That’s kind of gone now, so the afghan forces are fighting a different kind of battle - were they trained for it?

We should have spent the last 20 years arming and training the women of Afghanistan. Let them take control.

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What the USA should have done is build up the necessary institutions. But this takes a LOT longer than 20 years. It would actually take a few generations in fact.

Fact is the US has NO business going there. The US is good at fighting a traditional war with worthy adversary, not insurgency caused by institutional issues of other countries.

What the US did for post war Germany was good but things were different. What they should have done is a Marshall plan or something of the nature as was done with Germany and Japan after WWII. It still took at least 50 years before they became good though.

It doesn’t matter if you train up women, or taught them how to fight wars. What is needed is institution and logistics. What most people don’t understand, possibly because of all these Hollywood and video game disinformation, is that technology and warfare tactics do NOT win wars. Logistics does. Technology and tactics will win battles but will cost you the war.

It’s little things like making sure your soldiers have enough to eat, have enough ammo, tents, supplies, morale boosters like cigarettes and coffee, or porn mags. Making sure your tank has enough fuel, your aircraft have fuel, ammo, missiles, etc., and that your soldiers are properly paid for their service. Doesn’t matter if your army is fighting with outdated tanks or propeller planes, what matters is there is enough of them, that they are well supplied. Afghanistan failed on all of that, as did South Vietnam. Which is why they were history.

Saudi Arabia has all the state of the art American gear and they keep getting killed, why? It’s not the technology, it’s the discipline and logistics. American tanks in WWII was actually pretty much shit, but they won the war because they were organized.

War is killing every able-bodied male in sight and razing a country to the ground. The U.S. could have won that kind of war. Trying to use the tools of war to nation build though is like trying to perform surgery with a chainsaw.

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I mean, we had some business going there. The whole 9/11 thing. Buy the primary objective there was completed in a few months, and then nobody really knew what to do…

Say what? You think it took at least 50 yrs after WWII before Japan and Germany ‘became good’? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say there.

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I think you misprinted 4 minutes.

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Great idea. You could call it “Bay of Pigs II”.

NATO all went with US so NATO countries all should.

I don’t see how Germany and Japan are remotely comparable to Afghanistan. And “took at least 50 years”?

You’re expecting facts from somebody repeating mindless right-wing bs gleaned from the internet?