Do you believe?
- YES I DO!
- NO, of course not!
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Aliens? or the US Military? Or what?
My vote is Aliens :lovestruck:
UFO’s as well as paranormal activity are at the forefront of my interests, so yes I believe in them. For some reason I think they may be waiting for mankind to awaken into a more enlightened state before really making themselves known to us. I mean…c’mon if we as a species cannot let go of our prejudices of each other, how the hell will we treat another species from a different planet, right? Unfortunately, this “enlightenment” probably won’t happen in any of our lifetimes. Sad. 
Oh, come on. It is sooooo obvious that this is just the CIA trying to distract people from the War in Iraq. Hey, look, over there, a little green man!
Of course aliens are among us…it is silly to think otherwise.
Carl Sagan - The Demon Haunted World
Evidence please!
Evidence please![/quote]
Faith.
You sound like George Michaels!
Evertyime I see MIB or MIB2, I think to myself “THEY ARE HERE!” Love those movies!
[quote=“Steeevieboy”]You sound like George Michaels!
Every time I see MIB or MIB2, I think to myself “THEY ARE HERE!” Love those movies![/quote]
Aliens? UFO
But UFO’s have been sighted since the before regular use of jet aircraft?
Plus jet aircraft can’t stop and start?
Just saying ‘they are all secret aircraft’ is equally as dumb as saying they are ‘all little green men in flying saucers’.
Certainly more and more secret aircraft are being developed and tested and result in UFO sightings but there is no way these aircraft have the capability to do many manuveres that are observed by many UFOs. You can check that after about 10 minutes of research into the area.
Anyway the term UFO’s is pretty misleading. There’s always going to be UFO’s. If we are talking about lumiscent objects that is one category to look at.
UFOs are part of the natural environment on earth. There are/have been UFOs recorded in Northern Australia called the min min lights since the aboriginals first arrived there. You can still go there and see them today. Why do scientist’s not investigate them better, because so far there are too many crackpots and scientists would lose their grants. The other reason is they are impossible to predict at present and not regular enough to catch to do a proper study. There are other similar min min lights in Mexico and other areas. I recall seeing a discovery channel documentary about it. They tend to cluster around large fault zones and volcanoes and probably result from some type of electormagnetic discharge. You can track variations in the magnetic field when they appear. They often appear in sets and appear co-ordinated (which is often mistaken for intelligent control but is not the same thing at all).
In my opinion these type of phenomena are almost as interesting as if a real alien UFO landed here. They are mysterious and nobody understands them. There are no good theories that can explain it so far. It may be possible that these objects are attracted to metallic objects in their vicinity.
Another phenomena that is often misidentified because it is not well known is ball lightning- a ball of plasma/ions that can pass through windows and makes a humming or silent sound. They often follow telephone and electrical wires and can make 90 degree turns. They are usually but not always associated with electrical storms in the area. They are too rare to get many pictures or info about but actually they are very real and taken over the whole world there would be many such sightings every year.
After taking these into account we could look at the sightings of silvery metallic objects moving at high speed, this which would be very hard to account for as a rare but natural phenomena. Many such sightings occurred by seemingly reliable people prior to the general use of jet aircraft.
Then you could look at some reports that people put in on UFO websites.
nuforc.org/
From a quick look here at this website I would quickly guess that the spherical object that the lady saw is almost certainly ball lightning and the cluster of spherical objects that is illustrated in the high atmosphere is almost certainly a weather balloon.
Weather balloons are often clustered together in this shape and they can be huge, bigger than jet liners when they expand. The blue fireball at the bottom is probably a meteorite or space debris burning up. The fact that these objects are not really known by the general public can often lead to misidentification and poo poohing other more mysterious sightings, especially two reports from 1949 and 1965 (which are also listed on that website).
The real issue for a UFO would be
‘Do any of these unidentified objects appear to be under intelligent control’?
Then
‘Do they show up on radar’?
‘What about their stop start capability’
‘Do they leave physical impressions’?
‘Are they tracked over long distances’?
‘Do they follow geographical routes and over long distances’
I figure the aliens took one look at how shitty we are to each other, and took off to find a planet more worthy of landing on.
There are of course golden exceptions to treating each other like crap, but basically, I’m not sure mankind in general is worth getting to know.
“Was I afraid? Yes. A little afraid because we were facing something that had never happened before,” said radar operator Lt. German Marin in a taped interview made public Tuesday.
“I couldn’t say what it was … but I think they’re completely real,” added Lt. Mario Adrian Vazquez, the infrared equipment operator. Vazquez insisted that there was no way to alter the recorded images.
These guys are are radar operators. They should know about natural phenomas, they’d learn about that in training!
Something is happening (or going to happen)…
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3707185.stm
Perhaps the first planet ever photographed outside our solar system. The evidence suggests that planets could be ubiquitous in the universe and that bacterial life can even survive under huge presssure and temperature change in deep rock or even in the vacuum of space. That the multicellular life on the surface might be a tiny percentage of the total life on earth and a evolutionary offshoot. Bacteria have been revived from hibernation from 100’s millions year old rock deposits.
When I was a first year student I suggested to my esteemed genetic professor that life and viruses may have been seeded from space. He laughed at my claim. I was really embarrased and never brought it up again. Viruses may have been outlandish but bacteria certainly wasn’t!
In only the last five year this claim about bacteria possibly coming from space and easily surviving such a trip is not only well known but quickly becoming part of established genetic theory. I make this point to say that even professors can get things spectacularly wrong!
To me it seems to be getting more and more outlandish that the earth would not have been visited by an intelligent being or two over it’s history.
Call me biased since I’m a human but I don’t see much else interesting in our solar system…the earth would stick out like a sore thumb and certainly be the most interesting thing in the vicinity.
Considering the universe is 14 billion years old, the earth has had life for the last few billion. Granted it took a couple of billion to evolve to mulitcellular organisms and a few false starts on the way to intelligent life but when intelligent life evolved (us) and we developed a technological society, the progress since then has been almost instantaneous. In 10,000 years we or some intelligent creatures that we spawned should certainly be capable of intergalactic travel. 10,000 years is nothing in space time.
When we realise that although the chance for intelligent life might be extremely small and that the universe is vanishingly vast, it would be absolutely ridiculous to think that we are somehow unique and alone.
It would be equally ridiculous to think that we could detect alien UFOs easily if these same alien UFOs wanted to avoid detection and had already developed advanced technologies to travel in space/time.
The earth would easily be detectable by advanced civilisations as harbouring life. It’s athmosphere and colouring would give it away. In a hundred years or less we should have discovered 100s of earthlike planets. That’s just in the next hundred years. Maybe some of these advanced civilisations reached this state millions or billions of years ago. They certainly had enough time to evolve to do this. Also the argument that they would probably destroy themselves doesn’t work with me. One thing we know about life is its tenacity, and in the vastness of space if one area of space had a problem any civilisation only a few hundred years more advanced than us could easily migrate. Once intelligence evolves it’s such a powerful tool it’s not easy to put back in its box. Also any creatures or intelligent robots etc. would still continue to evolve and replicate. For instance by the end of this century we certainly should see sentient computers. After that it’s a piece of cake for them to organise their own replication. Even if we destroyed ourselves it wouldn’t matter.
That’s evolution. The same here as it is there! Life will continue because that’s what it does! On earth we have had massive mass extinctions, hower each time the clock did not reset to zero and it only took a short while for a whole new set of species to evolve.
Right now what limits us is our perspective. We don’t live long enough to travel to the nearest stars. We don’t have the right ships to travel. We don’t have strong enough eyes to peer onto another solar system’s planet’s surface. More than 90% of the universe consists of a form of dark matter we can only detect by the absence of light matter!
We are just like amoebas swimming around in a pond with no way to detect the giant human that’s floating right by us.
This is the most sensational and famous picture of a UFO, seen from below, taken in Belgium at Petit Rechain during the Belgium UFO flap in March, 1990. This is most likely to be a genuine ET space craft, allegedly a Pleiadian beamship. The human eye does not see most UFOs in the sky. When you are outside, the fast motion of something you see out of the corner of your eye may actually be a UFO. There is no way to fake this.
headhonchoII wrote:
headhonchoII - You are entitled to your religious convictions, but should we confuse fact with theory? Evolution, the theory that birthed the above, is an unproven theory with religious implications. I don’t want to convert to that religion. None of the above quotation is either scientific or scientifically proveable. It is a belief, like my belief that all aliens and UFO’s are of the earth.
You also wrote:
Nobody knows, but I believe that we are.
Useless footnote: My friend was the first person on Earth to film The Brown Mountain Lights.
A theory is a not a belief.
If a scientist has a theory, he/she neither believes or disbelieves that it is true. He and his peers test the theory /hypothesis repeatedly in all manner of ways. When they are unable to falsify that theory, you may call it a fact. For example, no one has been able to demonstrate that Watson and Crick’s theory of the structure of DNA is false. Therefore, it is now accepted as a fact. Belief doesn’t come in to it.
Evolution unproved blah blah. Evolution as a competing religions blah blah.
Everybody knows the theory of evolution itself is evolving. It’s not absolutely accurate to the real world but no theory ever is.
But the evidence is getitng harder and harder to refute. If you have worked like I have with DNA day in day out you would lose the religious infusion and get to see more nuts and bolts. My belief in evolution is backed up by HARD FACTS and open publications which anybody can come along and try and disprove.
In fact I make my living selling these nuts and bolts much as another person would selling hamburgers.
What I love is looking at a DNA sequence between a cow and a mouse and a plant and a bacteria. You can line them up side by side and get what you would call a ‘religious’ feeling, that here you can see that everything on earth really is related. You can trace how genes flipped around or moved between chromosomes or disappeared or gained or lost bits. It’s really very easy these days.
So my belief is much more substantiated than a religious one.
What you outrightted stated was that UFOs are from earth but you have no evidence either way. I also said I believed that there is a possibility UFOs have something to do with aliens and outlined all the supporting evidence that points to the conclusion that life elsewhere is highly likely.
(I didn’t even mention that I predict bacterial life on Mars is almost a certainty and will be detected within the next couple of years).
What scientific method can test and re-test the belief:
“the universe is 14 billion years old, the earth has had life for the last few billion”;
or
“intelligent life evolved”?
Those are theories and a theory necessitates belief (the mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another person, thing, or idea). Otherwise how would you measure the results of genuine experiments?
Well, I would be the first to say that claiming that UFO’s and aliens are of the earth is a belief. That’s my belief. I see huge military budgets, I see motive (spying capabilities, propaganda, hystery, distraction a population); there have been a few people who’ve came out of high military positions claiming so.
Past that, it’s only my belief.
Aliens come into the picture because if a person believes that evolution is true, then it may have happened somewhere else. A species ever-growing, getting better and better as it evolves along.
Since you work with DNA, you surely must know that there has never been a single case in which the amount of information in a strand of DNA has increased to make an organism better than its ancestors. Information either stays the same or loses bits and pieces as it’s copied and transferred. It doesn’t increase. You have to believe that it increases, though it has never been observed.
It would be a gigantic disappointment if “modern man,” in its current brainwashed state, were granted the title “intelligent man”. We know so little and are so weak.
WOW, headhonchoII - that sounds like interesting work. Can I ask what is your job title?