Do you have proof of this?
Do you need a link to a peer reviewed paper?
âGender differences among politicians on the Harvard Scumbag Scale: a prospective studyâ.
Somebody ought to do it.
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I didnât mention anything about gender.
All politicians are scumbags? Seems rather prejudiced. All I would need to do is find one decent human being as a politician to disprove this.
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Yes, you could probably do that, if you felt so inclined. As I said earlier, Iâm sure there are a smallish number of them who are (still) decent, honest people who are doing their best for the people they represent. The majority get sucked into the machine, because thatâs simply how the machine works. If you want âevidenceâ of this, all you need to do is watch how they behave. Itâs become deeply unfashionable to look at what your own eyes are telling you, but I can thoroughly recommend it.
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Is Audrey Tang a scumbag? What did Audrey Tang do to earn the title?
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Yeah well humans have 2 arms and 2 legs.
Well not all.
Come on dude. Not need to explain case by case. If itâs generally true, itâs generally true, even there is some exception. You know that.
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I distinctly remember the words âall politiciansâ being spoken.
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I have no idea. I havenât met him/her. And AFAIK itâs against the rules to make personal remarks about people who are registered here. However I get the impression that Audrey is mostly concerned with whether something is technically interesting, and perhaps with career progression, rather than whether his/her policies/decisions are doing Taiwan any good. IIRC Audrey was involved in the âvaccine passportâ ideas being thrown around a couple of years ago - which would have prevented the untermensch from participating in civil society. Iâd be curious to know how that panned out: whether it was the lawyers who said âthis would be unconstitutionalâ or whether Audrey pushed back at the whole concept.
If itâs only 80% true the statement still would be true. In a simple discussion is absolutely valid to do that.
The âyeah but not allâ is just stupid. Not nesescary to do that. Itâs disruptive.
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You have no idea. Then on what basis is this claim true that all politicians are scumbags?
I donât think youâre actually asking a serious question here. As the donkey said, we donât need to have a debate about the meaning of âallâ, or zoom in on specific people. In this context, it means âway too many of themâ. In any case, it seems to me the general implication here is that, if we had more women in politics, it would somehow mitigate male scumbaggery - that women are less prone to being scumbags in positions of power than men are. I see no evidence of that to date.
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Are all Italians catholic?
What exactly did Wayne Long, Member of Parliament for Saint JohnâRothesay do to make him a scumbag?
I would assume that scumbags should have a history and pattern of scumbaggery, no?
I should be able to look at this objectively and determine if someone is a scumbag.
Let it go. Save face. Everyone knows how to understand it. Donât play those games.
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Iâm not playing any games. Iâm challenging a claim presented as fact.
As I said the good old âyeah but not allâ
Everyone knows that. Come on. Itâs nothing else.
Lame.
There are hundreds of thousands of politicians across democracies that we donât even know the names of.
All of them? 80% of them? Iâd like to see some evidence.
Jim Chalmers, MP for Rankin. What did he do?
What on earth do you think youâre trying to prove here?
The thread is about gender quotas. I was pointing out that if you pick 10 male and 10 female politicians, youâll find that a majority of them - regardless of gender - are in it for personal reasons. Power, money, or whatever. They have little or no concern for the electorate. Can you find some who arenât like that? Sure. But the nature of the system is that they will fail, or at least will be prevented from doing âharmâ to vested interests. Whether they are male or female, theyâll be chewed up and spat out, thereby making room for a preponderance of scumbags.
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My finger slipped.
Nothing. I challenged a claim. Am I wrong?
I know politicians in real life. I wouldnât be friends with someone I consider a scumbag.
One of them works effortlessly to provide for his disabled child while trying to make a difference. He even drives better than the locals.
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Youâre being insincere, and you know it. Youâre aware of the colloquial meaning of âall X are Yâ, and I clarified what I meant by it (âtoo many of themâ). I also defined âscumbagâ as someone who is more interested in what they can get out of politics personally than in serving the electorate.
Unfortunately, that doesnât necessarily mean heâs an asset to the nation. It just means heâs an asset to his family, and that his job provides him the means to care for his family.
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Heâs still a politician and part of the apparatus that creates and sets policy.
A bad person needs to have a consistent pattern of bad acts.
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