Nice. Good discussion topic. It is illegal to point a camera in a direction that is considered invasive sexually, is it? Well then, just about every “traffic monitoring” camera is in violation of that law. Or, what if someone has sex in their closed-door office while doing overtime (nonpaid) and it is captured up by a security camera. Should that persons sue the company for invasion of privacy?
[quote=“HakkaSonic”]Ive got some very ripes socks on right now (been wearing them for two days and on top of that I stepped in a puddle two hours ago).
Opening bids?[/quote]
This is more interesting in light of his current signature:
:shock: 
Mapo, only for you, a 10% discount if you are the winning bidder.
I think this is indicative of a more serious problem, and one which the government has seriously dropped the ball on. I would be very interested in knowing a more accurate figure on sex crimes here in Taiwan, but I’m sure most go unreported. It’s to be expected when there are at least three programs on cable tv at night showing Japanese porn (albeit not overtly explicit, but you can still get the idea of what’s going on, and there’s plenty of footage of girls drenched in cum after being raped). In addition, go to almost any night market and you can see a bunch of dirty, betel-nut chewing, sandal-wearing pigs sitting around a TV watching porn with little kids running around. Compound this with a lack of sex education and parents being too embarrassed to talk with their kids about sex, people are growing up with very skewed concepts of what sex is and should be about. I’ve also talked with many Taiwanese friends about this, and about the issue of infidelity here (and yes I know infidelity exists everywhere, but I think it can be said that it’s at least more “prominent” or “open” here). My Taiwanese female friends say that of course they hate the idea that their boyfriends/husbands f**k around, but that at the same time they expect it. Not even a hundred years ago, it was perfectly acceptable for a man to have several wives/concubines, or whatever, all living in the same house. There’s even a famous story of a Chinese woman being an example of filiality/loyalty to her husband by helping him find a good concubine. Is this just one of those “cultural differences” that people should accept, or is this a serious societal problem?
This is not to say that this problem doesn’t exist elsewhere either … it’s definitely an issue in Japan, and in the States as well … more and more parents in the US aren’t talking to their kids about sex anymore because they figure that the kids will learn about it in school now and they don’t need to put themselves through the “embarrassment” of sitting down and explaining the “birds and bees” anymore.
Quirky, that’s a good question. If I were the judge, here’s what my answer would be:
In some places, we have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Invading these places with a camera, or whatever, without permission should normally be illegal.
Such places would include one’s home, all restrooms, the space underneath one’s skirt (if it is not fluttering above a subway grate), and the back seat of one’s car parked at lover’s lane at midnight.
So faces on the MRT? Okay, no problem. Cleavage on the MRT? Depends on the camera angle–women’s blouses ought to confer privacy protection.
On this basis, I’d also stipulate that hospital rooms and police booking rooms ought to also be barred to photographers without the permission of the photographees.
Now for a really difficult one: How about one of those heat-sensitive gadgets that look like they can let you photograph women naked under their clothes? I’d say this isn’t a violation. The result isn’t REALLY a picture of somebody naked–it just looks like one, which makes it more like one of those fake photos where somebody pastes their head on top of Schwarzenegger’s body.
[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]Quirky, that’s a good question. If I were the judge, here’s what my answer would be:
In some places, we have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Invading these places with a camera, or whatever, without permission should normally be illegal.
Such places would include one’s home, all restrooms, the space underneath one’s skirt (if it is not fluttering above a subway grate), and the back seat of one’s car parked at lover’s lane at midnight.
So faces on the MRT? Okay, no problem. Cleavage on the MRT? Depends on the camera angle–women’s blouses ought to confer privacy protection.
On this basis, I’d also stipulate that hospital rooms and police booking rooms ought to also be barred to photographers without the permission of the photographees.
Now for a really difficult one: How about one of those heat-sensitive gadgets that look like they can let you photograph women naked under their clothes? I’d say this isn’t a violation. The result isn’t REALLY a picture of somebody naked–it just looks like one, which makes it more like one of those fake photos where somebody pastes their head on top of Schwarzenegger’s body.[/quote]
Would also be useless if she were a cold fish.
A person should have privacy in places where they would expect to have it normally.
Cleveage is probably not protected – the necklines of shirts is a choice left up to the wearer and vewing it is simply a matter of looking down from above. However, people in our society do not normally get down low to get a good look up somebody’s skirt unless they are relatively familiar with each other.
Sex in a car doesn’t qualify, unless we’re talking about one of those conversion vans (if the van is a rockin’ don’t come a knockin’). You definitely need those velvet curtains installed, though.
Bathrooms are definitely taboo, but every year there are stories that somebody has set up a poocam and gotten caught. I’m not sure, but I think Chuck Berry is one celebrity who got in trouble over this.
Don’t know, but there’s a magnitudinal [is that a word!?] difference between you looking and you filming it. ?[/quote]
of course there is… you can’t laminate a memory 
Most rules are off if the person consents.
So, what most of you are saying is that, unless the person consents to being spyed upon, then they should not be spyed upon with a camera when sexual excitement is the intent.
What about other kinds of spying and other kinds of intent?
Please consider information gathering by the intelligence organizations of the world. It’s very topical because some of these organizations have hugely enriched budgets.
The thing is that these organizations generally operate to protect us. People do things that are very dangerous for social order out of naked curiosity, naked naivete or naked malice. Should this kind of nudity be inspected :?:
Ah, the age-old battle between exhibitionism and invasion of privacy – those who want to flaunt it and those who want people to leave them the hell alone.
If somebody’s deliberately flashin’ floss on the MRT, that’s exhibitionism. They may not consider that anybody is going to take a photo of it, post it on the internet, etc., but that’s a risk that an exhibitionist runs. Some people (maybe not this crowd) even may not want to see what they are showing – substitute some nasty old man wearing a raincoat and fake pant-bottoms for the young xiaojie.
However, the more-intrusive sort of videotaping and photographing should be punished immediately via a thorough beating with a golf umbrella.
Wonderful technology! I want a pair, too. I hope they’ll be on the market soon.
HP shouldn’t let privacy issues deter them from getting this splendid invention into production as quickly as possible. The world of the future will be flooded with all kinds of undetectable cameras and surveillance devices, and nothing will stop this trend, so those who are concerned about such things had better start getting used to it and learning to live with it. Personally, I don’t care a hoot about how, how often, where or when I might be photographed or filmed (as long as no one trespasses in my home to do so), and I don’t see why anyone would get in a tizzy about so inconsequential a matter.
[quote=“HakkaSonic”]“The police said that Sun, who is approximately 1,7m tall, was very upset and punched Liu on his nose, breaking it in the process.”
Yes, if she had only been 1.69m tall, she would have meekly run away.[/quote]
The young Ms. Sun knew how to treat that kind of vouyerism. That’s the spirit.
Yeah. What’s to hide?
I’d like to have a device that automatically detects any and all cameras in the general vicinity and allows you to view what cameras see me and from what perspective they see me.
I have a friend whose apartment building cameras are broadcast to all the tenants on their televisions. It’s fun to watch actually. 99.9% of the women check the mirror within 1 seconds of entering the elevator. 100% check it within 2 seconds – even if they have kids in tow.
After watching for about 5 minutes it gets boring, but then your mind starts to see them not as people, but as subjects and it starts to do little behavioral studies. Fascination with the mundane.
[quote=“Quirky”]Yeah. What’s to hide?
I’d like to have a device that automatically detects any and all cameras in the general vicinity and allows you to view what cameras see me and from what perspective they see me.
I have a friend whose apartment building cameras are broadcast to all the tenants on their televisions. It’s fun to watch actually. 99.9% of the women check the mirror within 1 seconds of entering the elevator. 100% check it within 2 seconds – even if they have kids in tow.
After watching for about 5 minutes it gets boring, but then your mind starts to see them not as people, but as subjects and it starts to do little behavioral studies. Fascination with the mundane.[/quote]
I like picking my nose in front of those elevator cams. Then, when I get out of the elevator and am about to leave the building, I walk over and try to shake hands with the security guard.
Most elevator cams are useless. While it is possible that once in a long while they help ensure that a mugging might not happen inside an elevator (do they ever really happen here??), the cameras don’t seem to have audio feeds that would help guards hear burglars talking about all the loot they’re going to get from the apartments they’re going to rob. “I’m going to use my share of that big-screen TV to retire and live in luxury forever …”