Alternate History: What if Spain pushed the Dutch out of Taiwan

The Dutch was able to drive the Spanish out from Northern Taiwan in 1642 mostly due to the incompetence of governor-general of the Philippines Sebastián Hurtado de Corcuera. He insisted on stripping down the defenses in Northern Taiwan since 1637, giving up important strategic positions, tearing down parts of Ciudad de San Salvador, removing the canons and troops.

After learning that the Spanish destroyed Fuerte de Santo Domingo by their own volition, Dutch Governor of Taiwan Paulus Traudenius attacked Ciudad de San Salvador de Quelung in two consecutive years. The first Battle of San Salvador ended with the Dutch occupying Tamsui as their forward base in 1641, and the second battle in 1642 forced the Spanish to surrender, with Sebastián Hurtado de Corcuera only willing to send two small ships with 30 people to relieve San Salvador the previous year. Sebastián Hurtado de Corcuera got locked up for 5 years for losing Taiwan.

We all know what happened next. The Dutch was driven out by Koxinga due to an equally incompetent governor in Batavia. Then it was the Qing dynasty, Japan, the Allied Powers, and illegally occupied by the ROC government in exile until now.

What if Sebastián Hurtado de Corcuera wasn’t such an idiot, and instead allowed Spanish defenders to actually defend Taiwan, and keep the Dutch at bay until Spanish economy improved, and then leveraged the closer proximity of Manila to drive out the Dutch instead? What would happen next?

This is my guess:

First, Koxinga would be unable to drive out Spanish forces, which by then would have occupied both Northern and Southern Taiwan. Due to Manila being so close, it would have been a lot easier for Spanish reinforcement to arrive. Spanish economy was still in the toilet due to the silver drain and inflation, but it would have had no problem of supplying food and defenders to their forts in Southern Taiwan, and letting disease and starvation force Koxinga to retreat to Kimmen.

Koxinga would die in Kimmen due to illness soon after losing his men and ships without establishing a secure base in Taiwan, and his entire organization would fracture and become irrelevant.

That would mean the Qing government would have no reason to force evacuate coastal Fujian, since there is no threat of trade funding the Dongning army. So the Spanish would not be starved out of Taiwan like the Dutch had in the real timeline, after they returned to Northern Taiwan following the surrender of Zeelandia to Koxinga.

Spanish Taiwan would be increasingly more profitable, especially after they start mining for gold and coal in Keelung, and without Koxinga there, the Qing would have had no reason to invade Taiwan. Like in Manila and the rest of South East Asia, Chinese labor and Chinese traders would be imported to Taiwan, but regularly suppressed.

The 1800s is where things get interesting. In the real timeline, the Rover Incident happened in 1867; the Mudan incident happened in 1874; the permanent annexation of Taiwan to Japan happened in 1895; and finally the Spanish American War happened in 1898. What would happened if the Qing government didn’t control Taiwan, but Spain did.

Obviously Japan would still want Taiwan, but now they don’t have a good way to get their hands on Taiwan. Japan wouldn’t be able to get Taiwan by defeating the Qing navy during the first Sino-Japanese war and it certainly wasn’t ready to start a war with Spain. Then the Spanish American War happens, and since Taiwan was governed as a part of the Philippines, now Taiwan is suddenly a territory of the US. This is when the US would have control to Taiwan’s tea, camphor, and sugar production.

The next big event would be WW2. The question is would Japan still be strong enough to start WW2 the way it did if Japan never controlled Taiwan? Or would that just make Japan more hungry for expansion?

If it’s the later case, the Empire of Japan still has its work cut out for it. Without controlling Taiwan, it would be near impossible to blockade China for the first part of WW2. I suppose they still could take over all port cities along China’s coast, if the US, now with a huge base right across the strait, would sit back and let them.

I imagine the US being right next to China would probably make Pearl Harbor even more likely. After Pearl Harbor, Japan would have to invade Taiwan first, before getting to the Philippines. Would that have given General Douglas MacArthur more time to organize for the defense of the Philippines? This is the part where alternate history could go in any direction.

Regardless of how the war plays out, the US would still come out victorious. So Taiwan would be back under US control. What now?

Would Taiwan become a part of the newly independent Philippines? or would it become its own country? A country with long Spanish and American influence, and nearly no Japanese or Chinese influence. What would be the national language, in addition to English? Would it be Tagalog?

There would be no Taiwan then, ROC would be Hainan, the USA will support Hainan, and nobody would care about Barrio Formosa.

The ROC lost Hainan faster than they lost Zhoushan island. Hainan was too close to China, and the lack of strong ocean currents and winds means any regular boat could be utilized for the crossing. It was also already infested with communists. If Chiang Baldie went to Hainan instead of Taiwan, his bald head would be in the Fushun War Criminals Camp, along with Puyi, the last emperor of China, doing hard labor, and forced to write confessions about his crimes before 1951.

With USA help and two million people fleeing the mainland, could control it I guess. What ever communists there would be sent a green island near there.

The Qiongzhou strait is less than 20km wide. Even in the 50s you can get bombarded by artillery being that close.

So? Kimen is closer to Xiamen, PRC has not got even Kimen yet?

BTW

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Yeah, but CKS and his government didn’t live stay on Kimmen. If he did, I’m pretty sure he’d be bunk makes with Puyi at the Fushun War Criminals Camp before 1951.

we would be part of the phillippines and the poverty there?

For a while the Philippines was the wealthiest region in Asia. Chinese Filipinos used to take pity on poor Taiwanese people under the thumb of CKS. Also, if you look at the past 20 years, the Philippines’s economy has been growing at the same pace as Vietnam. So I don’t think it’s about not having wealth either. If poverty is still a huge factor, it probably has more to do with wealth inequality, which obviously is also growing a lot worse in the US.

Taiwan would just be another island of the Philippines.

If the US still wins their war against spain, does the US establish a trade city in Taiwan… maybe Kaohsiung but with an American or Spanish name?

Maybe the US doesn’t later grant the Philppines independence, as the costs would be too high.

Maybe the pacific theatre of WW2 never happens, or maybe it is worse.

It was called Takau or Takaw in Dutch records. Unless the Spanish felt the need to Christian it up, otherwise why not just keep it as Takau. It is only written as 高雄 because there is a place called 高雄 in Japan and it’s pronounced as Taka-o.

I think the US was in the process of granting the Philippines independence prior to the war.

But would the US grant independence if they had a trade city closer to China? This scenario could change US history drastically.

Maybe the US invades China as an ally to Japan in WW2. Maybe both US and Japan have alliance with the Nazis.

Yeah, if by the time Japan was working its way through Taiwan, the MacArthur already hardened defenses around the Philippines, then Japan couldn’t sweep all the way down to the Dutch Indies. It could probably still take Vietnam, but any further, even if they stick to Peninsula Southeast Asia would be very hard to supply without naval dominance through the South China Sea. It would have changed the Pacific theater. The US could mount counter attacks a lot sooner too.

Is Macarthur even born? The divergence is so far back it would change many things.

You bring up a good point I didn’t consider. If Japan didn’t have Taiwan, would the US still see Japan as a potential threat? I guess with the Ryukyuan islands and the Pacific Mandate (former German colonies) Japan could still be pretty threatening.

Would having such extensive Asian territories change the nature of the US?

Does Shanghai become an international concession… or would that be obsolete?

Does 1912 ever happen, or does China eventually become a constitutional monarchy?

Wow… another very interesting possibility. Losing to Japan and Japan taking Taiwan in 1895 was a big driver of Chinese intellectuals panicking and seriously questioning Qing’s legitimacy to rule. Prior to that, people in China could probably brush away the humiliation brought by European Colonial powers because it was happening to the whole of Asia. Being humiliated by Japan was a serious wake up call.

However, if Taiwan was never a part of China, and was a part of the American Philippines, Japan would have to get the Qing government to make concessions elsewhere. In the original treaty of Shimonoseki, the Liaodong peninsula was to be ceded to Japan along with Taiwan, but the Qing got Europeans to step in and got to buy it back. Without Taiwan, maybe Russia, France and Germany don’t step in, and Japan would have a permanent hold on the Liaodong peninsula instead? How would that affect the Russo-Japanese war? All big changes.

Does Japan ever attack China? Maybe Japanese history changes too. Maybe japan becomes a spanish colony too… and then part of the pan American asian territories. :rofl:

The reason Russia stepped in and stopped Japan from taking over the Liaodong peninsula was because it knew with Japan controlling Korea, Japan was gunning for Manchuria just like it was. So if Russia still steps in in this alternate timeline, Japan would be forced to walk away from the war with no territory to show for it?

In the real timeline, Japan was choosing between expanding north and invade Russia, or expanding south and invade China. Maybe that would force Japan to ally with China to fight Russia?

If Taiwan becomes converted to Catholicism as did every other Spanish colony, and with a Christian state so close to mainland China, does the Taiping Rebellion ever happen? Or it does happen in some form except that the southern Chinese rebels are Catholics instead of followers of Hong Xiuquan’s whacko psuedo-Christian cult? Because Hong started his cult with little firsthand knowledge of actual Christianity, but with a Christianized Hokkien speaking colony right next door, southeastern Chinese would have much more knowledge and closer contact with it. That would change the anti-foreigner, anti-Christian Boxer Rebellion as well.