Am I the only person here who hasn't been to America?

No America bashing, please! This is a serious question (!) I am not being sarcastic!

So, from the POV of Taiwan resident foreigners. Where to go? What to see? For the sake of argument I would be landing at LAX.

As a holiday destination, and Hawaii excepted, how does it compare to other places if you’ve got, say, two weeks?

Would I want to leave? (The older I get the better it sounds as a place to live. Contrary to popular belief, I know people who love living there and cannot believe I haven’t been. Both well-travelled Americans and Irish/Brits/Others.)

I haven’t! And you can count the number of countries I haven’t been to on 37 hands!

I have always wanted to go to Spreadeagle, and find out if there really is a Bumfuck in Nebraska.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_Eagle%2C_Wisconsin ‘:D’

It’s really hard to give you advice on what to see. It all depends on what you like to do and things that you are interested in. I’ve met many Taiwanese who have been to California, and only California, several times! I don’t understand their fascination with that state, other than they might go there to visit their family.

Of course 2 weeks is plenty of time to see all the tourist sights in LA, including Mann’s Theater, Hollywood, Universal Studios, Disneyland and Venice beach. There must be more to see, but I’m not that familiar with LA (I was there only once, when I was about 7 years old.).Many tourists will also go to Las Vegas and some will also go to the Grand Canyon. Personally, LV holds no interest for me since I don’t gamble, but being on the strip to see the neon lights might provide 1 night of entertainment. For me, the Grand Canyon is worth it to see, maybe especially now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/21/AR2007032100169.html

You could then fly or take the train from LA to San Francisco: cable cars, Golden Gate bridge, visit wine country, touristy Fisherman’s Wharf, Alcatraz.

I know the east coast better than the west coast. You could just go through immigration in LA, then fly to NYC. You could spend 2 weeks in NYC, Philadelphia and Washington, DC without running out of things to do or see. You can travel easily by train to all three cities.

If you hate big cities and love nature, rent a car and visit some national parks: Yosemite http://www.nps.gov/yose/ and Sequoia (to see the world’s largest trees) http://www.nps.gov/seki/ in California, Yellowstone in Wyoming http://www.nps.gov/yell/

I hope this helps.

I’ve never been either. But I have been to Belgium several times. For obvious reasons.

I haven’t. I always thought it would be one of the last places I would go to see. After all there are far more diverse cultures to explore before seeing the US.

Lord Lucan -
Despite posts such as the above, there is a great diversity of things to see and do in the USA.
Coming into LAX, depending on time alloowed, you could go any direction except west and see things that tourists from around the world come to see.
Venture north along the coast and the scenery is spectacular.
Go south and see my old grounds and beaches in Huntinton Beach, Newport Bch on down to San Diego.
Go up to San Francisco and see a beautiful city with a post-card vista at almost every corner. And world class dining abounds there…as in most of the places mentioned.
Go east to the Sierra Nevadas and see Lake Tahoe. Doen to Yellostone for a fantastic Park…Half-Dome, Old Faithful (geyser) and such.
Go over to Las Vegas and see the lights and the strip. I don’t gamble (much) but the places there are a treat to see and visit.
The Grand Canyon is pretty much unbelievably huuuuge!
There is a new glass walkway that lets one walk out over the edge and look down into the canyon…scary as heck.
Texas has a lot to see and enjoy. New Orleans is safe until dark. Florida, Boston, Philadelphia is a great tourist town.
Virginia is a scenic delight with mountains, farms and coastline. North Carolina’s coast is beautiful. New York City is world renowned for various reasons. Go up to Cape Cod and Nantucket for seacoast and sailing. Up into Maine for lobster and scenery.
The Finger Lake area of upstate New York (as JDSmith) and Niagara Falls.
The desert in the west, the plains in the middle. BaseBall in Florida and Phoenix Arizona now.
Seattle and Portland on the NW corner.

It pretty much depends on where your interest lay. And there is one heck of a lot in the middle to see and do.
And some damn nice folks to meet along the way.
Good luck and good vacation.

Crikey, my Lord, China’s not having such a good impact on your thinking, methinks! :laughing:

But to be fair, San Diego sounds like heaven to me.

HG

The lace?

Good response, TC.

The US is huge and there are SO many beautiful and interesting places. I’ve lived on both coasts and traveled through most of the country and, unlike David_in_taipei who posted above, I DO understand why so many people are in love with California. It’s gorgeous, with 5,000 meter mountains (the Sierras), volcanoes (Mt. Shasta, etc), the world’s biggest trees (Redwoods), the world’s lowest elevation (Death Valley), fantastic beaches, the beautiful Highway 1 going up the coastline, great cities, lush farmland, a diverse population, interesting history (not old by European standards, but interesting nonetheless as it’s long been the golden land to which people traveled to make a new start, or from which great new ideas were launched and fortunes were made).

Other parts of the US are very nice too. New England is great, especially in the Fall. The Pacific Northwest (Washington and Oregon) are lush green and beautiful. Colorado’s great if you want to go hiking or skiing in REALLY big mountains (the Rockies). Other places are also nice.

But if you’re making a first trip to the States, and you’ve got just 2 weeks, I would definitely recommend starting with California as it’s got so much to offer. In the south, San Diego’s a lot nicer than LA. Perhaps if you fly to LA you could then transfer to San Diego and start there. Rent a car and start out with San Diego’s great beaches and beautiful city, with sparkling clean buildings, a stunning bay full of sailboats, a brick oldtown with nice bars and restaurants. If it interests you, SD also has perhaps THE best zoo in the world, Seaworld, Tijuana Mexico just a daytrip across the border (for tacos, margueritas and tacky souvenirs).

Then drive up the coast to LA – Disneyland, Holleywood, etc – and continuing through beautiful coastal towns: Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo (go see the Hearst Castle there, it’s really cool). Yosemite is surely very crowded in the valley, but it’s got some of the most stunning scenery in the world (Half Dome, El Capitan, Yosemite Falls).

San Francisco is an awesome city, with a gorgeous bay the terrific Golden Gate Bridge (lots of tourists walk across it, as I once did, which is really cool), Fisherman’s Wharf, Chinatown, the cable cars, maybe a tour of Alcatraz prison, and lots of great culture and fine dining.

Continue north through the wine country of Napa Valley and on to the great redwoods and rocky coastlines of Mendocino and Humboldt County. Then fly back down to LA and go home.

That’s what I’d do, but there are lots of other options.

Cool!

I’m presuming this all has to be done in one kick ass of a car, perhaps one of the beauties TC left lying about? Top down, radio up loud and perhaps a discrete pipe or three? Wayfarers, got to be wearing Wayfarers.

HG

Top towns in the USA on the Bubba-meter

1.Santa Cruz, Ca. Pot/Surf/Redwoods/ the place where deadheads go to die. Hwy 9 out of Santa Cruz/ Ben Lomond is THE best motorcycling road in the U.S. (You know I’ve ridden on all of them)

  1. Occidental, Ca.-Looks like it was caught in a time warp from the '50’s. Redwoods, rural coast-great roads.

3.San Fran- Must go here-North Beach bars and Italian delis, every corner something to gape at. Too much to list.

  1. Sedona, Arizona-Right south of the Grand Canyon-sagebrush in the wind, red clay and long sunsets. Cool old town with a lot of new agers and artists.

  2. Taos, New Mexico–mmm…desert and high desert…mmm.

  3. Asheville, N.C.- Watch the Robert Mitchner cult film Thunder Road and you’ll get it-awesome mountains and rivers.

7.Thermopolis, Wyoming- A sleepy town with big shady trees, and free hotsrings (said to be the largest in the world)

  1. Huntington Beach, Ca. The cops are assholes, the waves are fine and the beaches huge, cool downtown area with micro-breweries.

  2. Rock Hall, Maryland- Cornfields, country roads, Chesapeake Bay, too beautiful to believe. I’m moving here when I go back to the states, gonna buy a house out near the water, some mean dogs, a shotgun, lots of ammo and a refrigerator filled with beer. Fence the whole place off and booby trap it good and wait for the DEA agents to come and get me and send me to God’s kingdom in the sky.

Thats it-don’t drink and drive/walk or we’ll be watching you on the next isue of COPS getting chased down the street with no shirt on- remember I won’t be there to throw you out of any windows so you’re on your own. Lots of meth-head tweakers in the rural areas at night, just use some road flares and it’ll scare them away. Drive on the RIGHT side.



Belgium is wonderful at this time of year.

Is Belgium near Butfuck Nebraska or Spreadeagle?

Thanks Bubba, I now have a new aim. Santa Cruz, I like the name too. Body surfing? Could I die body surfing there? That’d be a way cool way to go. Pity about the deadheads, but it would be more than a little bit alright to have JD and Tigerman as deteriorating neighbours, especially, or only as long as, my hearing had deteriorated to the point I didn’t have to listen to that stuff and how cool they were in the day (I will listen to those cds Tigger, I promise . . but it’s a bloody vast task you’ve set me!).

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Cool!

I’m presuming this all has to be done in one kick ass of a car, perhaps one of the beauties TC left lying about? Top down, radio up loud and perhaps a discrete pipe or three? Wayfarers, got to be wearing Wayfarers.

HG[/quote]

You bet. Rent something like this in San Diego and take it up the coast. :sunglasses:

I’m sure it’s good, but I was thinking more classic lines.

. . . and as my attorney . . .

HG

LL -
As MT & Bubba confirm…there is a lot to see and many many places to go.
Think along the lines of “What would I like to see” and use that as a guide.

As for cars, anything that starts out with… Coupe DeVille will be just fine…:smiley:

2 weeks is not a lot, so I would really pick 1 or 2 places only. California is a good start since it has so much variety by itself culturally, geographically, climate/weather, flora, cuisine, etc.

Santa Cruz is a cool place, yes Hwy 9 and all those twisties are some of the best. But you need transportation, dunno if that’s practical for 2 weeks. Check out Alice’s if you’re into motorbikes. Hell, check out Thunderhill up by Redding. Check out PCH 1 if you like coastal sites - lots of good bed/breakfasts dotting the 1 ALL along the coast. Monterey/Pebble Beach, etc., it’s all mesmerizing.

San Diego, cool town, ocean, mexicali food. also need car from LAX.

LA: so much to see here: K-town, J-town, downtown LA (really good mexican food, Staples Centre for NBA games), Magic Mtn/Disneyland if u got small kids, Monterey Park/Alhambra for the Chinese food, the Valley (porn city), the Strip (Sunset Blvd. nitelife). I would recommend watching the movie Swingers for some interesting places e.g. the swing dance place(Brown Derby), the restaurant with the weird couple playing music (the Dresden Lounge)(they are really there), the 24-7 delis (hmmm). And if you’re in LA, u might as well drive to and hang in Vegas for 72 hours. There’s a lot more than just gambling there: shows, niteclubs (e.g. Pur), food, shopping, etc.

SF: also another place with tons to visit: all the neighbourhoods in SF (Haight, Chinatown, Sunset, etc.), Berkeley, Sonoma/Napa, GG Bridge, Peninsula, great motorbike roads in E.Bay all the way to Sacto. Like Vegas, you can make a side trip to Tahoe.

All depends on what’s your cup of tea.

But u need to rent a car, unless you stay in one place like SF.

And if u goto the East coast, I highly recommend Miami, It’s so money. :sunglasses:

I’ve heard that as a place to live, Portland is awesome. (except for the rain)

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]
unlike David_in_taipei who posted above, I DO understand why so many people are in love with California. [/quote]

Don’t get me wrong. California is very nice (I’ve been to San Francisco a few times), but the country is very varied. California, Texas, Miami, South Dakota and New York seem like they’re in different countries. ‘:cool:’ When I go to Thailand, I don’t choose one city or island and return to the same place every trip ‘:noway:

[quote=“Bubba 2 Guns”]
9. Rock Hall, Maryland- Cornfields, country roads, Chesapeake Bay, too beautiful to believe. I’m moving here when I go back to the states[/quote]

Eastern Shore. OIC…Just kidding LOL It’s a very beautiful part of the country!

And if you decide to stay in CA and drive from LA to San Francisco, just make sure you get on Highway 1 (along the coast), instead of Highway 101, west of Santa Barbara or in San Luis Obispo.