Ancient hominins (the ancestors)

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That’s not art. I could do better than that. :roll_eyes:

Homo sapiens art for the win!

I can barely draw a crooked line

I can see why you’re impressed then. :grin:

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65,000 years of evolution has produced- Andrew!

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I call bullshit how did they draw their two hands onto the rocks?
They had three hands back in the stone age?

Neanderthals were heavy metal

:metal:

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Reminds me of Lave and Wenger’s work on communities of practice, too

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Cat amongst pigeons:

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I don’t see how a find in Turkey suggests that early hominins evolved in Europe. Why not Turkey, where it was found? Why move from Europe to Turkey, why not Africa to Turkey?

It’s a cool find, shows how little we know, but not enough to change the dominant theory I wot

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Turkey is part of continental Europe and also Asia (like Russia), I mean for all we know they could have just been on an 18-30s holiday in the med :wink:

The article specifically said western and central Europe, then heading to the eastern Mediterranean (so, Turkey, right?). Could just as easily be east Asia, right?

I took that as referring to where the fossils where found, then moving east across the med and then down to Africa, I was reading while working.

Looking on the map Ankara is in Asia Minor so I would say they are asian, but the article also says there is no solid link between the two groups, they could have evolved in parallel like crabs for all we know.

As for where they came from, I think they just make stuff up to sound clever or controversial.

I mean I’m not saying it was Aliens but I hope they had their Residence Certificates.

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Regardless, the place with the most diversity is going to be the origin of the homo genus, and since the other only species from genus Homo in Europe, the Neanderthals, also moved into Europe from Anatolia, I find the Europe to Anatolia conclusion highly unlikely.

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Wasn’t there a human like jawbone found in Greece that pre dated the stuff from Chad?
Greece and Turkey are pretty close, hence this line of thought, I mean Pluto was once a planet but things change, even if its hard to accept.

Which one? The one I know of is dated to 177,000 to 194,000 BP. Our species arose in Africa 300,000 BP. There are some homo sapiens skulls in Morroco that predates the earliest fossils found in the East African Rift. I don’t think that changes the out of Africa theory though.

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this one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/05/22/ape-that-lived-in-europe-7-million-years-ago-could-be-human-ancestor-controversial-study-suggests/

and also a tooth in Bulgaria

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047248411002144

Over the years I have read a few articles that in my opinion don’t exactly challenge it but calling doubt the single origin theory.

there are the ones above and also

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss alternative theories like Multi-regional evolution or The Assimilation Model.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0047248484710037

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104061821630386X#:~:text=The%20Assimilation%20Model%20(AM)%20was,majority%20of%20modern%20Eurasian%20ancestry.

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So happy to see this thread getting some action
:smiling_face:

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Honestly I think its the first time I have read it and had time to reply.

It shows there were apes in Europe. 7 Ma was so long ago, that it even predated the Messinian salinity crisis, and could even predate the Sturtian glaciation period. So Europe could have still be pretty warm.

The problem with 7 million years ago is that the Mediterranean was dry.