Hahaha. You didn’t hear it from me. Made a small penised Scotsman cry on more than one occasion!
Yeah, like I said, it’s not really a problem in Taiwan. I’m one of the most sensitive and militant of non-smokers, but really I don’t think it’s a big enough issue in Taiwan to worry about any more. Smokers are generally considerate and rare enough that further legislation or enforcement seems like a waste of time. Anyone needing to make the world a better place would be better employed applying their energies to any one of the many more pressing issues.
Having said that, I know of one particular restaurant where one of the kitchen staff uses the men’s toilet as a smoking room, despite the fact that one of the other kitchen staff goes up to the roof for her ciggies. This is a shining example of the sort of thoughtlessness towards others that I mean. 50% of my totally unrepresentative sample will do something that leads to customer complaints, even after people have complained. The other 50% is a lovely person, and I don’t judge her for the way she gets her pleasures.
So, trying to be objective here, is there any truth to my opinion that (to use hopelessly inaccurate numbers) 10% of people are smokers, but 20% of litter louts are smokers, therefore smokers are twice as likely to drop litter?
I don’t think this is a purely Taiwan issue, btw. I am assuming, without any basis in observed fact, that countries with a strong tradition of social responsibility see this problem less than places with a culture of “do whatever you can get away with.”
Is there also a relationship between smoking and tattoos? Both could be considered self-harm. Smoking, littering, and getting a tattoo could all be indicators of a disinterest in the long-term implications of our actions.
Ah, fuck it, Jimmy. I won’t live to see thirty anyway, so I might as well smoke fifty a day, shit in my neighbours’ garden, and get my entire body covered in tattoos of buttercups.
This logic of yours must get you into an awful tizzy at times. Clearly you are frustrated but your inner monologue tells you that any attempt at changing things is needy.
The conflict within you must be very painful.[/quote]
Perhaps someone with the power to do so could split this garbage off into the temp forum where I don’t have to waste my time reading it to see if I want to ignore it?
Can’t we get back to speaking about smoking? Mmmm yummy yummy! :lick:
Loretta I would honestly like to ask you, for my own benefit, and maybe to give you something to think about: Is your frustration over smokers and littering in any way linked in with a feeling that you can’t do anything to change it?
Splittist!
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I like smokers, in general, though this depends on the quality of tobacco one smokes. Any one of the mass-market brands should be chucked in the fire on aromatic offence, to say nothing about an over-abundance of preservatives.
Oh, and also.
I save my stubs, when out and about, in an old mint can, after which they are taken home and fed to the budgies.
That's a flagrant lie, of course, as I have no budgies.....
Yet.
And I always, butt out solidly any smoking embers.
[img]http://www.smokeybear.com/vault/images/p1944b.jpg[/img]You’re talking shit. Please stop projecting, or whatever it is you’re doing. I’m not interested. Thank you.
You’re talking shit. Please stop projecting, or whatever it is you’re doing. I’m not interested. Thank you.[/quote]
Then I don’t understand the purpose of your original post. I am not projecting honestly. I am trying to ask a question. Why are you trying to find a link between smokers and people who drop litter?
I ask about the loss of control issue because I have felt that in Taiwan many times. Anger over the traffic is often for me an anger over the inability to change the situation.
So I am to be psych-analysed in public by a complete stranger who just wants to ask a question based on his own skewed interpretation of what he thinks I said? No thanks.
The purpose, as simply as I can put it, is to say “Hey, I noticed this. Did anyone notice it or am I imagining things?”
As for the deep sociological stuff, I ask questions all the time about all sorts of things. I’m interested in how the world works, which includes understanding people’s motivations as much as it means understanding why Merrill Lynch went titsup. I have an enquiring mind. It might mean that I’m a nutter. Who cares? It doesn’t mean that I’m privately raging about the small stuff, and suggesting that I am sounds like you’re projecting.
So, as you don’t know me or anything about me, I suggest you stop. I’ve made my peace with the smokers of the world, and have no desire to get into a shitfight because some idiot I’ve never met decided to put words into my mouth.
And for the record, I don’t mind the traffic either.
There seems little point in dragging you through some of the judgements and labels you have used to describe smokers and those who litter. So to answer simply: No Loretta I haven’t observed that people who smoke are more likely to drop litter.
I can touch the end of my nose with my tongue. Fucker smells of nicotine.
People who don’t have the good sense to smoke tend to be stupid…c’mon, I can’t be the only one who noticed this. Also, who be doing the rapin’…not trying to imply anything, but is it vegetarians? Don’t tell me speeders ain’t murderin’. All people that annoy me are immoral…waaahhh!
Do you think people who smoke are more likely to end up in prison? I do.
I’m guessing over 70 percent of prisoners in the U.S. smoke. That’s (I’m guessing) 3X the rate of the general population. So, that’s a very strong positive relationship. They aren’t thrown into prison for smoking, so . . . what’s goin’ on?
Are they littering? No. They are mostly going on to other drugs that have stiffer penalties than nicotine.
I’m sure there are plenty of Marlo Brando types that think smoking is part of the tough guy image of a rebel who isn’t gonna follow the rules. They didn’t listen to Mommy when she told 'em not to smoke, and maybe they have problems listening to authority figures in general.
So to continue what I was saying about 5 pages ago, I’ll bet there is a small positive correlation between smoking and some other illegal or just annoying behavior.
After so many pages, I thought there’d be more on smoking as an addiction. Nicotine is very addictive, but people with enough willpower (and support) often kick the habit. I mean, who really wants to smoke other than chainsmoker?
I must say that the last decade has been an overwhelming success for non-smokers rights.
I almost never get bothered by a smoker these days.
I had not smoked for over 6 months. Then a few weeks ago, after drinking a 26er of Captain Morgans Spiced Rum, a mickey of Bombay Sapphire Gin, and some whiskey (all of which were in ingredients in Chewy’s Special Punch along with koolaid and some lemons), I broke down and had one. Damn!! It was absolutely heavenly. 
Haven’t had once since though. It’s all about discipline when sober.
I don’t mind non-smokers, but I am sometimes confused by their hypocrisy. I remember living in London, where back in the 90s, I could enjoy a cigar and a gin and tonic while studying in the Shaw Library ( 
they made it non-smoking a few years ago). In Madrid, there is still lots of tolerance to smoking (restaurants, airports). In both cities, it was perfectly acceptable to have tobacco and a drink in public places. I particularly liked drinking with profs (something that does not happen nearly as much in North America or Asia).
Then I remember quickly having to readjust to the environment for smokers when I came back to the West Coast in America. A friend picked me up at the airport and took me to a top quality seafood restaurant. There was a lineup outside for seating in this restaurant. While outside I lit a ciggy. Believe it or not, there was a whale-shaped lady eating a fast food hamburger from a famous chain while waiting in line for this top notch restaurant. While I enjoyed the ciggy a few feet away from her, she kept making annoying clucking sounds (the kind Gore made during the debates with Bush during the 2000 election)while waving her hand in annoyance from the smoke.
Being hungover and foulmouthed at the time, I said to her after she had clucked for the umpteenth time:
“Listen miss, if the second hand smoke doesn’t kill you, the grease from those burgers and your weight will. In any case, you’re screwed.” People in line laughed and the woman soon left the line.
Seems that all flakes migrate West.
I smoke, I pinch the remaining tobacco out of the filter and drop the filter in a garbage can in the company - 7 km further from where I lit up the stick.
NOT in a drain -sewer gate as it is AS MUCH poluting the environment !
Asian’s overal do not care too much about smuldring cig’s - that’s why they have more fires due to cig’s still burning carelessly forgotten.
Taiwan forbids throwing cig buds away - but in no f**** area’s you can find ashtrays - garbage cans.
I red that one Tobacco Company here would start providing personal ashtrays (as in JAPAN) to shops etc to make smokers aware of their responsibility. Might help - over 10-20 years.
Do you collect that remaining tobacco and then roll your own? Just curious.
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Why, no. Far better to wait for the fat cats to toss their half-smoked fag away.
Uncle Fagin pays large for those, and all!
Some of those who have never been poor should keep their gobs wired shut…