“Can” here means something more like “do”.
Probably the real reason why China is having knipfits about Japan (other than as a smokescreen) is Japan’s intention to change its constitution this year so that it can have a military, which means in a short amount of time it will have a nuke. The security council gig will give them more room to maneuver.
Well, I think that you are reading too much into American foreign policy during those years Broon Ale. After all, it was CARTER who was president. You expect me to provide some sort of coherent sensible American foreign policy during those years? I cannot. That is and was my point on the Carter vs. Reagan thread.
Yes, A drink haha no it had better be several. Either way this goes I am going to be going through the ringer this Saturday and next Monday. I am going to be limping back to Taipei one way or another. I just don
Ringer? What ringer?
[quote=“21p”][quote=“Diablo”]Here’s a link to those 17 Japanese apologies since the war.
Notice that the textbook issue has been around since 1982.[/quote]
And here’s one of them, quoted on that reliable source of information (God knows, it’s Japan - it might be for real!!!)
It’s not real. The real quote is here:
[quote=“tomtom taiwan”]
What an ignorant response.
It is not a shrine FOR mass murderers. The fact that there ARE mass murderers buried there does not mean anyone is going there to worship THEM.
And which school books say that it is cool to slay the Chinese? Some may gloss over the details (much the way China has done with its most gruesome events). But I have never heard of one that praises the killing of Chinese. Please cite one for us.[/quote]
Ah damned, I forgot for a second I am living in Taiwan, and the Japanese are expected to save our a…s as well. Forget what I said TomTom, vivo Nippon, take your white scarf off again.
From the New York Times,for what thats worth…
[quote]
Liu Jin/Agence France-Presse - Getty Images
On Saturday, Shanghai held a clearly stage-managed
rally against Japan. To some, it recalled the Cultural Revolution.
By Playing at ‘Rage,’ China Dramatizes Its Rise
By HOWARD W. FRENCH, Published: April 21, 2005
SHANGHAI, April 19 - The banners had been carefully printed, the slogans memorized, and the students and young unleashed onto the streets of China’s largest, most sophisticated city, where they were to speak sacred truths and make the enemies of the people tremble.
Chinese today have little experience of mass organized protests, so when the Government tolerated - some would say encouraged - a huge anti-Japanese demonstration here that flirted with turning into a riot over the weekend, for many it bore echoes of the mass manipulation of students of another era, the Cultural Revolution.
Revealingly, people who had lived through the real Cultural Revolution, not the sanitized one taught in China’s history books, watched from the sidelines with looks of amazement and worry. They were old enough to remember just how badly things can go when intoxication is the order of the day, and laws are swept aside by feelings.
“I watched the police cars escorting the demonstrators and felt this all looked familiar, like an official event in the Cultural Revolution, but those drew bigger crowds and were more emotional,” said Zhu Xueqin, a historian at Shanghai University who emerged from a public library to watch the march go by. “I observed it as a bystander, and the people observing around me looked indifferent, seemingly full of reservations.” (excert - may require a log in) I suggest “Bug Me Not” program.
nytimes.com/2005/04/21/inter … oref=login[/quote]
Am I the only one with a nagging suspicion that if Japan were to be a dirt-poor, backwards, Third World nation instead of a modernized, democratic economic powerhouse it is today, China would not be so “upset” over the revision of its history books? :eh:
Kettle. Teapot. Black. :raspberry:
I’m just surprised that the Japanese did indeed mumble yet another apology.
Did anyone else spot the other news story about the US transferring mid-air refueling capabilities to Japan? Why do you think the Japanese would need to refuel F-15s?
[quote=“hsiadogah”]I’m just surprised that the Japanese did indeed mumble yet another apology.
Did anyone else spot the other news story about the US transferring mid-air refueling capabilities to Japan? Why do you think the Japanese would need to refuel F-15s?[/quote]
Because they thirsty planes when in attack mode?
Or because they need to shoot down commie planes and run away?
Or are ten squadrens going to defect to Taiwan?
I think the Japanese just decided to go with the flow and play the game- and win, too. They wanted to get local support to change their constitution. They wanted to show the world that China is a “scary”, unstable country. They wanted to show Chinese officials that the mob can be controlled by any fool. They wanted to maintain the moral high ground through it all. They succeeded by (a) not giving in an inch, (b) actually having the balls to demand an apology/compensation, (c) continuing with drilling plans in contested waters, and (d) apologizing right when things were at a fever pitch. I hope the boys in Washington were paying attention at how the game is played in Asia.
You people just don’t get it. Apologies, 17 apologies, those are just words. Any one can say they are sorry. Words mean nothing. Japan has done nothing to prove that they are sorry for anything. Actions speak louder than words. When has Japan ever paid a dime of reparations to China? The second richest country in the world and have never paid back a cent to any of the countries they bombed and pillaged and raped. Japanese people that you meet, they still hold an air of contempt towards all other “lesser” Asians - they still believe they are the “whites of Asia” and are superior to the yellow dogs of China and Korea.
Believe me, any attempt of Japan to remilitarize itself will be met and parried. This China isn’t the wrecked weakling torn apart by years of foreign domination and civil war it was back in the 1930s when the predatory Japanese attacked the first time. This time China is strong. Just as those Japanese who thought they were going to have a big party by celebrating with sex orgies on a day of their national shame, but oh boy did they ever think wrong, China showed them! The day of Japanese exploiting the rest of Asia economically and militarily and using our women as their sexual toilets is over. Japan ever tries to lay its hands on China, or China’s women, ever again, and they’re going to wish the sun never rose that day.
I suppose once the “They’ve never apologized” claim is shown to be demonstrably false, then the CCP needs to create some alternative fictional idea to persuade the Chinese people that their anger should be directed against a foreign country rather than against the CCP itself.
Sounds like the latest fiction is the bizarre notion that Japan may have apologized, but they never actually put their money where their mouth was. As with the “They’ve never apologized” claim, this notion is, of course, directly contradicted by the facts — but I suppose if you control what your people are allowed to see on TV and read in newspapers you can just hope that nobody will find out that Japan has been giving reparations in the form of soft loans (i.e. loans that cost Japan money – not the kind that are profitable investments).
Oh well – I guess the CCP can be happy: they seem to have found at least one person with internet access who buys their propaganda :bravo: 
Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Committee Meeting
[b]"Right lads… people no longer seem to believe us that Japan has never apologized. So let’s focus on actions, not words.
Here’s our new party line:
[color=black]‘Apart from massive monetary reparations (in the form of billions upon billions in soft loans), to pay for medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system and public health… what have the Japanese ever done for us!?’[/color]"[/b]
Is it written on paper? Why won’t they write it on paper and end it all? Because they won’t, not when civil compensation money is involved. That’s about how sincere Japan is. It’s priced in Yens.
[quote=“Rabbit Moon”]
Believe me, any attempt of Japan to remilitarize itself will be met and parried. This China isn’t the wrecked weakling torn apart by years of foreign domination and civil war it was back in the 1930s when the predatory Japanese attacked the first time. This time China is strong. Just as those Japanese who thought they were going to have a big party by celebrating with sex orgies on a day of their national shame, but oh boy did they ever think wrong, China showed them! The day of Japanese exploiting the rest of Asia economically and militarily and using our women as their sexual toilets is over. Japan ever tries to lay its hands on China, or China’s women, ever again, and they’re going to wish the sun never rose that day.[/quote]
Chairman Mao, calm down.