Anyone else feel like interacting with young Taiwanese requires nerves of steel?

I recently joined a group composed of all Taiwanese young professionals in the States. I’m within their age group and have studied some Chinese in the past, so thought I’d give it a try.

The first impression was they were kind and well-mannered people - which, I was told by some members of the group, was a truism. Fair enough, I believed it, since the group really seemed welcoming. But then I started noticing that one guy kept being tardy to events - which wasn’t a big deal for things like ball games, but one time, when we went to see a movie, he was 15min late and we had to stand and wait for him at the entrance so we could all enter. He just mumbled sorry (不好意思) and went in like nothing happened - and the Taiwanese guy who kept texting him asking where he was didn’t seem to bat an eye. I’d like to think Westerners would be apologizing more for keeping others waiting, or say something like “you guys go ahead first, send me the tickets digitally, I’ll find you in the movie theater” instead of dropping a half-hearted sorry to the group. On the flip side, when we play ball, the lightest touch will be followed by the game being stopped and “I’m sorry! Are you okay?” addressed, especially to me. When I told them not to be too polite, physical contact is part of the game, the offender sounded like they couldn’t believe it. So it seems that in some instances, Taiwanese are too polite, but in others, they are not polite enough according to my understanding of politeness.

Then there’s emotional distance. While on the surface Taiwanese seem friendly and someone you could easily get to know better, they still prefer to keep their distance, which makes for somewhat shallow friendships. On the whole, they seem to veer away from any introspective conversations, preferring to keep the mood light. They’d rather talk about their car shopping experience, or what’s in the news, rather than what traits you’d look for in your ideal mate, or any topic that would reveal something about one’s values, preferences, thoughts, etc. (that conversation was very awkward by the way). So I find that Taiwanese are not particularly open and introspective, and find myself indulging in more dry or superficial subjects to tickle their fancy.

Finally, there’s conflict avoidance. Westerners prefer to talk it out, have their verbal intercourse and make peace. Communication and conflict resolution are valued in western culture. In Taiwanese culture, apparently not so much. I was trying to discuss an offending behavior with someone from the group, but instead of humbly listening and acknowledging what I was saying, or trying to understand my point of view, the person simply ignored me. And now I can feel that person is avoiding me and referring to me in third person in front of me with others. Even in ball games that person doesn’t want to be on my team, and the others don’t really care or don’t want to get involved and investigate what’s going on. I guess it will remain an open conflict until that person eventually leaves the group, because talking to them directly won’t solve anything (I tried).

So I’ve learned to maintain cool nerves and be patient with these guys, stay humble and kind, but every now and then I still think to myself, why am I taking the road less traveled, and can I ever really be close friends with them?

I think you have answer that last question yourself.

Guy

Why are you putting yourself through this? To practice Chinese? Surely there are easier ways. If you were living in Taiwan sure it would be necessary to navigate these things, but if you are outside of Taiwan…why?

And to answer the question directly, to interact with young Taiwanese people (in Taiwan) usually requires me to be a bit more ‘zhu dong’ or a bit perkier than usual because they generally won’t make the effort. But some do, and I like those people who do quite a lot.

You are casting pearls to some swine there. Don’t bother trying to fit a round ball into a square hole. Get a more mixed bunch of friends , more foreigners and you will be better off because the cultural gap is too big for you to bridge.
This is not to say you can’t find some other groups doing activities that you can join into, maybe a more mixed profile in terms of age and background may be good too, such as hiking.

The OP is apparently in the United States. I like hiking as much as the next person, but are hiking groups common there as they are here in Taiwan? I simply don’t know.

Guy

Ok that’s me schooled.
Just don’t hang out with them then lol, not even a problem !

No worries. Love the hiking clubs here! Suggesting that is rarely a bad idea.

Guy

Welcome to the world of passive agressive Taiwanese interaction. Don’t feel too bad, it’s hard for them too. :slightly_smiling_face:

Yes

:100: , why is the OP wasting his time

Why the hell would you want to hang with these guys? I mean, are you insane?

Yea, taiwanese generally maintains emotional distance from anyone not family.

Also them being passive aggressive.

You’re in the states, there’s other Asians that’s much easier to interact with than taiwanese, maybe try Chinese.

A chance to practice Chinese?

It’s still a good post as it details examples of the deep emotion dysfunction of some people raised here, especially regarding conflict resolution.

Guy

Important to know if the OP is female and the group of Taiwanese are male?

Taiwanese don’t like all other Taiwanese either
There is also a difficulty in making true friends too

Usually there is a group and then there
may be sub groups within groups

I’m half Taiwanese and grew up in Taiwan and also have been immersed in American culture so I think I got a pretty good grasp to say that

Even in a group of young Americans there may become sub groupings of people who are more alike in interests
and hobbies

It’s not really all that different

Except that in a group of Taiwanese you may have to be ethnically at least half Asian to be accepted or at least have grown up in Taiwan

Dont try japanese it will be even worse lol.

I am ethnic Japanese, seems no problem to chat/talk with most Taiwanese in Taiwan (or in Japan or Euro areas), the the USA it might be different.
That being said, as others said if a person does not want be your friend(s), just move on to others, can not be there only this group there?

Love your eternal optimism @afterspivak. It’s truly inspiring.

However, the OP is a male and looking for a female and posted this in the dating and relationships forum.

@Panzax. Having difficulties with Taiwanese in America? Move to Taiwan and really taste some pain!

I’ve had decent experience with Chinese… but I look Asian. A lot of immigrants in the US don’t really associate with other Americans much.

Taiwanese Americans in my experience are just weird… as in they seem to have a certain code that I have no way of knowing what it is… They also have boundaries, except you won’t know you’ve crossed it because they will basically act passive aggressive for crossing them, and you will wonder what you’ve done wrong to them to deserve whatever negative attitude they have towards you. I’ve found them to be even less accepting than just straight up Taiwanese, at least Taiwanese will display some curiosity, the Taiwanese Americans will not.

Yea, there’s no “talking it out like a man”.

How did you get that out of it? Am I missing something? “Relationships” does not exclude platonic ones.

Did a quick background check.