Anyone into tuning scooters?

Never really brought it up much, but my business is selling high end scooter parts, mostly for the BWS125 but i also do BWS100 and the HONDA RUCKUS.

Anyway i have a really cool mechanic that unofficially has the fastest street drag bike in taiwan (RSZ, stripped, 300cc, over 160kph) who supplys me with the trick stuff and works on my own bike:


Loads of stuff done to it and i have been using her for testing out my various engine parts.
If you live in taichung you might of seen it breifly on its back wheel being ridden by an arai or fox helmet wearing nutcase.
I dont do it out of choice, i ride it to the proving grounds on the outside of the city and ride it back to the shop as quickly as possible (for obvious reasons).

Anyway, if you like it i can give you some more photos, right now im boring her out to 272cc for a feature in 2wheels magazine.

Oh if you want some honest tuning done on your bike shoot me a PM and come down to the workshop, my mechanic is very good and my parts are some of the best on the island :smiley:

You should provide links to your site and YouTube channel.
I’ve already seen most of your vids. Hard to believe a scooter can wheelie so easily. Not that I’d ever want to do that. It’s fun to watch, though.
I’d love to get some stuff done to my Yamaha GTR, but money’s a problem (and so are police). :no-no:

Do you work on cars, Mr Smellybum?

I’m in Kaohsiung and it would be hard to bring my scoot down there. Would you be so kind as to offer some advice instead?

I have a BWS 100. Mint condition. I installed a performance exhaust and I put in a KOSO pulley and a performance clutch. That’s it. Much faster on the get go than the original BWS 100, but nothing any new 4 strokes 100cc can’t ridicule. The BWS 100 is too damn heavy. Top speed of about 105kmh with new pulleys and down to about 95kmh after about 3 months of abuse.

The question is simple. What all can I do to make this specific model go faster at take off and top speed.

I’m also wondering if further mods would compromise reliability. What’s your take on that?

I was wondering what Marty meant about your videos. I looked up your username on YouTube. Good to have a connoisseur on board. :slight_smile: I hope to hear from you.

marboulette

I dont but i have a friend close by who does, for a local he is very, very good.

marboulette:

Ohh i am indeed a BWS100 nuthead, i keep quiet about it usually :smiley:
I have tuned mine dozens of times and even built complete engines for swap into honda ruckus’s in california :wink:

In my book the best combo is:

55mm/56mm big bore… avoid the ruima kit, its horrid, just bore out the stock cylinder and replace with new pistons and rings, the finish on the original yamaha cylinder is good… if you have an original!.

stock carb… sounds crazy but believe me, its perfect for the bike, even when tuned and if setup right you can still use the oil tank.

chickenstop pipe… if you saw my bike you might of noticed it, looks rubbish but its secretly the pipe that makes the most power whilst being road legal :smiley: … works with 135cc too!.

uprate the clutch… cant stress this enough, slam in something strong, the BWS eats clutches

Thats it :wink:

I didnt include my business details because i was worried it went against website rules, plus i mostly deal with the US market… ok only deal with the US market, but my rear shocks are going to be released in taiwan shortly.

Are there any modifications for scooters that look legal and pass for legal (but may not be legal) and give better performance?
I’d love more torque on my scooter. I’m not so concerned about top speed. But that’s a plus as well. :smiley:

[quote=“Marty”]Are there any modifications for scooters that look legal and pass for legal (but may not be legal) and give better performance?
I’d love more torque on my scooter. I’m not so concerned about top speed. But that’s a plus as well. :smiley:[/quote]

Ohh thats easy, skys the limit, just have a quiet exhaust thats black.

Simple bolt on would be the 58.5mm big bore (155cc) install along with a larger carb and you can keep the stock exhaust or upgrade to another one and you double torque and BHP.
All while looking legal :smiley:
Almost every cygnus in the country has this mod!.
I got friends with 200cc+ which still pass their yearly test!.

Thanks for the reply! :slight_smile:

Your post brings about a few new questions, though.

[quote]55mm/56mm big bore… avoid the ruima kit, its horrid, just bore out the stock cylinder and replace with new pistons and rings, the finish on the original yamaha cylinder is good… if you have an original!.[/quote]So… I just remove the cylinder, go to my local machinist and ask him to bore it out to 55-56mm, and I ask him for piston and rings to fit the over-sized sleeve? That’s it, right?

My sleeve isn’t a Yamaha one. It’s a year old made in Taiwan after market sleeve. It looks identical, though, and it’s been very reliable. Can I bore that one? Worth a try? I can get a brand new one for NT$900 including piston, rings and all gaskets (made in Taiwan). Not a big risk if I end up disliking the result, I suppose.

[quote]stock carb… sounds crazy but believe me, its perfect for the bike, even when tuned and if setup right you can still use the oil tank.[/quote]I over-sized the piston a few years back on this BWS. Not a big bore. Just a maintenance bore. I was never able to adjust the carb properly after that. I had it set so that all would be fine. Acceleration,good idle, everything. But the bike was rough when compressing/when decelerating. It wasn’t smooth. If I reduced the amount of air flow, the bike ran smooth when decelerating, but it was idling rough. I got used to it… Rode it like that for about a year. Then I put on this cheap after market sleeve on it and it felt like heaven when decelerating. No jerking, no burping. By that time, I decided that boring the sleeve was silly. I can do a maintenance bore for NT$500 or I can buy new for NT$900 and have the bike run better. That’s been my experience.

But you’re saying get a BIG bore and use the same carb. You’re right… It’s sounds crazy. Just a small bore made my bike run rough. I’m really curious how you manage to use the same carb with an sleeve that is nearly 50% bigger. I’m keen to give it a try when I get a chance, but how do you go about setting it up properly? What would I have to change/adjust? Can these mods even be done while having the bike run smoothly all round? I mean, do you have to trade in anything for the gain of power?

[quote]chickenstop pipe… if you saw my bike you might of noticed it, looks rubbish but its secretly the pipe that makes the most power whilst being road legal … works with 135cc too!.[/quote]I had to google the terms “chickenstop pipe.” :laughing: Very few results other than links to your website. The chicken muffler is just a performance muffler, isn’t it? Like a disguised straight pipe? Very loud and obnoxious? I have one of them on my scooter already. :neutral:

As for the clutch, I’m not sure what you mean by “something strong.” The DIY shop where I buy these parts have an array of different brands. The best I’ve used so far is made in Taiwan by KOSO. They are some of the most expensive parts, too. As for the spring, the BWS calls for 1100rpm stock. I put in a 1500rpm spring on mine. It’s harder on the belt, and it makes for a louder bike at take off, but it does add some oumff off the get go.

What would your recommendation be for a clutch? I have to be able to buy it locally. I’m not keen on importing parts.

Sorry for the long post. I have my own little work shop in my garage, and I’m always doing something on my scooter. I’m genuinely interested in some more info.

Cheers!

marboulette

Ditch the local cylinder and piston :wink:
The castings on them are just horrid compared to the original yamaha one.

So buy a new yamaha BWS cylinder with gaskets, 56mm piston… not much choice on so a cheap taiwan one will have to do, never had problems with them though.
The carb tuning is a serious black art, i can have 2 IDENTICAL bikes and have 1 guy do the carb on one and another do the other, they will be compleatly different from one another!.
To make matters worse, local taiwan garages just dont understand how to tune a carb, they only ever adjust it for WOT and leave it running like crap for everything else.
So i cant really advise there. :frowning:

But chances are your carb is old and gunked up by now, either clean it or just buy a genuine new one from yamaha for about $1500nt.
(can you see im into OEM parts, the BWS100 doesnt have many quality aftermarket parts so i stick to the OEM where i can).

The chickenstop is on my BWS100, its loud and proud but you cant get done for it as it looks 100% OEM :wink:
Its made by a company in taichung, all handmade to spec, cost just under $3000nt… its much better and quieter than the V8 pipe.

Your clutch sounds good to me, KOSO is about as good as it gets.

So shopping list:

New genuine cylinder
aftermarket 56mm piston
New genuine carb
Chickensto pipe

Thats all you need, this setup got me 112kph top end and crazy wheelies!.

[quote]local taiwan garages just dont understand how to tune a carb, they only ever adjust it for WOT and leave it running like crap for everything else.
So i cant really advise there. [/quote]

That’s what I was afraid of. I don’t think that it’s the mechanic that can’t tune the carb. I know how to tune a bloody carb, and I’m telling you, with the over-sized sleeve it can not be tuned perfectly. My guess is that the bigger the bore is, the harder it gets. It has more power, yes, but it’s not running smoothly all round. Add to this the fact that it’s hard to find a machinist who doesn’t machine the sleeve too tight, and you end up with a bike that goes fast and accelerates very well, but all in all in it runs like crap.

It sounds like your BWS is tuned like crap by local mechanics and you can’t advise on how to tune it properly.

My carb is pretty new, about 2 years old. Cleaned regularly. My pipe doesn’t look stock, but it performs well. This leaves me with having to find a sleeve and a piston… Tempting… Just for fun… Having done this on my BWS and my wife’s BWS a few times now(replacing the sleeve and piston), it would only take me about one hour to install. It’s so easy on that scooter. Once you dislodge the rear shock, you can expose the head and sleeve with easy access via the undercarriage. It’s a quick job.

Worth a try at some point… See if I can get it tuned properly with a big bore. I’m compelled. :laughing: I will report.

marboulette

[quote=“smellybumlove”]Simple bolt on would be the 58.5mm big bore (155cc) install along with a larger carb and you can keep the stock exhaust or upgrade to another one and you double torque and BHP.
All while looking legal :smiley:[/quote]
How much would something like this cost roughly?

I’m enjoying this thread. It’s like dangling candy in front of my eyes, but I can’t touch it. Such a tease! :lick:

or just buy a Sniper. fast as shit, straight out of the box.

[quote=“marboulette”][quote]local taiwan garages just dont understand how to tune a carb, they only ever adjust it for WOT and leave it running like crap for everything else.
So i cant really advise there. [/quote]

That’s what I was afraid of. I don’t think that it’s the mechanic that can’t tune the carb. I know how to tune a bloody carb, and I’m telling you, with the over-sized sleeve it can not be tuned perfectly. My guess is that the bigger the bore is, the harder it gets. It has more power, yes, but it’s not running smoothly all round. Add to this the fact that it’s hard to find a machinist who doesn’t machine the sleeve too tight, and you end up with a bike that goes fast and accelerates very well, but all in all in it runs like crap.

It sounds like your BWS is tuned like crap by local mechanics and you can’t advise on how to tune it properly.

My carb is pretty new, about 2 years old. Cleaned regularly. My pipe doesn’t look stock, but it performs well. This leaves me with having to find a sleeve and a piston… Tempting… Just for fun… Having done this on my BWS and my wife’s BWS a few times now(replacing the sleeve and piston), it would only take me about one hour to install. It’s so easy on that scooter. Once you dislodge the rear shock, you can expose the head and sleeve with easy access via the undercarriage. It’s a quick job.

Worth a try at some point… See if I can get it tuned properly with a big bore. I’m compelled. :laughing: I will report.

marboulette[/quote]

Oh no, my 56mm setup was running 100% perfect on the stock carb!.
But is was slightly modified, if i remember correctly i enlarged the manifold and airbox.
Oh forgot to mention to englarge the head too, otherwise its high octane fuel!.

[quote=“Marty”][quote=“smellybumlove”]Simple bolt on would be the 58.5mm big bore (155cc) install along with a larger carb and you can keep the stock exhaust or upgrade to another one and you double torque and BHP.
All while looking legal :smiley:[/quote]
How much would something like this cost roughly?

I’m enjoying this thread. It’s like dangling candy in front of my eyes, but I can’t touch it. Such a tease! :lick:[/quote]

2 ways to do it:

  1. el cheapo with a cast piston, around $1500nt for the complete big bore
  2. proper forged piston and alloy cylinder

I only sell the 2nd option.

I cant discuss prices on here for certain reasons.
But budget around $9000-$13000 for a ride in, ride out job with everything you need.
I have a barely used 155 kit on hand actually, from when i was testing out the BWS125.

[quote=“smellybumlove”] if i remember correctly i enlarged the manifold and airbox.[/quote]Manifold and airbox… Right…

[quote]Oh forgot to mention to englarge the head too, otherwise its high octane fuel!.[/quote] Right… That makes perfect sense…

Thanks anyways…

marboulette

Yep, changed the air filter and enlarged the connecting tube.

Ok heres the chickenstop pipe:

I ran the 10’’ rear rim as its lighter than the GA rim that most people ‘upgrade’ to.