You post like you’ve never actually been to these places.
Maybe that’s because you have . . . never actually been to these places.
Why don’t you come and visit us? Really. 
Guy
Shinzu is the only town where the tech wealth trickles down.
I’m pointing to some roadblocks that the same will happen to Tainan.
You keep proving my point.
Guy
Tainan has a population because it is a combination of the old Tainan City, which had a population of about 800,000 people, and Tainan County, which accounts for the rest.
Hsinchu City and Hsinchu County are still separate because their combined registered population is still below the 1.25 million required to be a ‘special direct municipality’.
Most of Tainan is rural and agricultural and is likely to stay that way.
You should probably spend a little less time with Fukuyama’s grand theory and a little more time learning some of the basic facts about how Taiwan is administered as well as its laws and history. Otherwise your attempts to apply grand theory to misprised facts will continue to produce risible results.
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Of course @OysterOmelet you could and should study such things. It’s easier though to spend a few weeks visiting us. Come have a look. Lots of your observations would I think be refined accordingly.
Guy
Where is this shinzu place?
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It’s trickled down a lot. Everywhere. Workers are hard to come by in many industries, party because of the massive factory construction boom of late.
Issue isn’t it’s not trickling down. It is indirectly, as expected. Bigger issue seems (to me) that it’s a short term trickle. That faucet will be closed and the entire country’s labor force that has already been completed altered beyond repair will be in flux. Things like food and other manufactured goods will become increasingly expensive and/or reliant on imports. Workers are already very hard to come by. Never mind jsut manufacture. Grocery stores, gas stations etc. This inevitably makes the case for more automated services to catch up with lack of labor force (keep in mind immigration here is still a fucking farce!). Once automation infrastructure is setup, we don’t need to go back to hiring people. Meanwhile, I pose a question to you all. Once this happens, whi h it already is, what safety net and social structures do you think Taiwan will have in place for a very much une played workforce? My outlook is grim. So much so we are jnvesting and laying the groundwork to leave Taiwan for when this happens.
The one trick pony, golden egg, etc thing in taiwan doesn’t seem healthy. We need to diversify as a country (energy, biotechnology and medicine seem like exactly the perfect ones to develop after the high tech stuff), in a very big way.
Kaohsiung has changed night and day. And not because Korea fish had 2 years of street light replacements (locals get that referrence). If you haven’t been in a while, Kaohsiung is soon becoming the next Taipei. Still dirty, still kaohsiung. But night and day beyond belief in a very short time. What does that mean? I see far more “convenience” at the cost of jobs and sadly I don’t see Taiwan having too much better social services in the future. Pensions here are grim. Cancer is all but uncovered and rampant. We shall see…?
Thanks for the info, the reason I post these things is for people to comment.
So the population ratio between the two towns is about is about 2:1 and not 4:1, which is a lot more manageable and gives me hope.
None of this is from Fukuyama. He’s not an economist, he’s a political science professor, and his is a mid-range theory. This is mostly from Enrico Moretti.
Forumosa has confirmed for me that indeed Shinzu has a lot of high-paying non-IT services that support IT professionals. You’ll find a lot of posts here that say Taiwan’s economy is “closed,” that the IT wealth stays within IT, with Shinzu being the exception.
The IT industry has VASTLY affected labor. Farming, metals, textiles, plastics etc. Companies want to collect their employees a lot. The issue is more for smaller companies, in all fields. IT has taken those workers away from those industries, so we see a very real and very immediate change in shortages etc. I have no comment on whether that’s good or bad, it is simply just bvery obvious and literally everyone [in business] is talking about this on the daily here. This aspect is undeniable. Especially with many larger companies [EG. TSMC] building empty factories waiting to be used. After construction, minimal wealth, meantime places like tainan rental areas have seen 3-10x inflation on rent (due to workers influx). And all the things that brings along. It will be great once all these shell factories become operational, bur currently many are sittle idle waiting to pull the trigger. Only because that issue, I think its clear these bursts or work then the inevitable doubt after are causing much problems for taiwans famously important small/medium business economy.
It might take labor away from other sectors, but when we say trickle-down, we say that the wealth generated in the tech sector makes other sectors wealthier too.
Labor shortages, especially unskilled labor, are easily fixed with immigration.
He his AMerican , so maybe use strange translation. For sure not Taiwanese or Japanese way i saw, more like China system maybe.
Hear that @OysterOmelet ? You’re approach is doing great! 
Guy
Yes, seems know nothing about what Taiwan and Southern Taiwan looks like. Not sure why posting if no come visit Asia instead going to Riga?
Some area in Tainan and Kao-Ping really nice areas, as well is in Taichung, Neihu and many others. Hsinchu has nice area, and some old (not good old) not so nice areas in the centre.
What is your first language?
I don’t think so. No city in Taiwan is officially named Shinzu in English even on US maps
Official US map uploaded
Hint, here the HSINCHU city site I would read
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Ok, not sure where he got that
Hsinchu city web page in English
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So how do they pronounce it in Japanese, your first language?
Hsinchu = correct current romanization
Shinchiku = correct pronunciation during the Japanese period
Xinzhu = how mainland commies would rename it if they could
Shinwhatever = Oyster’s imagination only
Guy
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Shinzu is the pronunciation closest to how it’s really pronounced in Taiwan Mandarin.
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