Are the DPP and KMT parties Popular?

Qualify that they have millions of supporters

No green or blue in Taiwan, just shart brown.

The results are right here. Are the results wrong?

What results ?

The main parties have their older hardcore voters. But they aren’t ‘supporters’.

The dpp is generally unpopular right now. They get votes because viewed as the lesser of two evils. The TPP did much better with under 40s than either dpp or kmt in the north in last elections. But Taiwan skews old In general

From last mayoral elections in Taipei

46% of 20-39 year olds expressed they would vote TPP , compared to around 20% for kmt/dpp

36.3% of university educated people and above in Taipei said they would vote TPP, compared to 20% for dpp

This is irrelevant to what you said, “Really weird to see foreigners going so hard for the dpp, when few Taiwanese do”. This is just wrong. Many Taiwanese do, and really hard. If you said something vague like “The DPP is generally unpopular” I wouldn’t have disputed it. Your initial comment was not framed well.

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Ok accepted

Will reframe it as

Weird to see so many foreigners go so hard to support dpp when they are generally disliked by the majority of Taiwanese

Cause they’re really our only choice. It’s not always a good choice, but it’s often the best choice we have.

IMO

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Well they have lost the youth vote with their behavior and I think they are likely to lose the next presidential election.

They are deeply unpopular. People are not voting for them on the whole because they are happy with their performance.

If you read foreigner Twitter/forums/ reddit etc its like some bizarre other Taiwan

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Seems like voters are getting really tired of the DPP playing the China card. Not that China isn’t a huge threat, but they’re basically asking people to be single-issue voters when there are also so many other big issues that the government is doing practically nothing about.

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Yeah I think the arrogance of the ‘If you love Taiwan you must vote for us’ card is really grinding the gears of anyone who has read more than three books in their life.

Plus all the nepotism and corruption

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I remember how much venom there was in 2018 as well. Didn’t make a dent. You could claim it was HK but that’s just an unfalsifiable hypothesis.

It was HK + Han being a super pro China and ridiculous candidate

There was more disatisfaction in 2018, rather than the Venom now.

It might be moreso that more foreigners care about social systems and independence/freedom. I am not sure that is true, but if it is then it seems more likely that such foreigners dont necessarily like the DPP so much as they cannot accept the Chinese KMT.

I am like that as well. I have huge issues with the DPP, and am never a “supporter” of them. But there is no denying they are infinitely preferable to the CKMT on nearly every level from a Taiwanese perspective.

There’s not a huge range of attractive choices, eh?

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Yup, that’s a problem. And why people might think there are lots of foreigners that like the DPP when really they simply dislike the alternative. they are both disgusting, but it is clear there is a lesser of 2 evils situation if one does prefer Taiwan over china. I think it isnt that complicated. I bet everyone except the ultra corrupt would like better versions of both sides that are viable.

Well, it’s not Kansas as the saying goes

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I think foreigners don’t like to delve into Taiwan politics behind the most linear and simplistic of narratives(China bad, Taiwan good), don’t watch political TV or read the news here. Also a lot of foreigners don’t speak Chinese.

In order to overcompensate, they indulge in a kind of performative Taidu, and latch onto extreme green issues to show a connection to Taiwan. For example, getting angry when someone says Republic of China or Mainland or thinking that everything connected with the KMT is pure evil and equal to the CCP

Not everything in Taiwan revolves around cross-straits issues and even then, not everything is black and white

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Probably quite similar to the dearth of options available to voters in Kansas tbh

There is some truth to that, but, it’s still not Kansas

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