I’ve seen this happening many times in discussions around here, so I want to get you guys understanding of this potential scenario:
A: It rained a lot yesterday.
B: This is a lie.
A: Don’t call me a liar!
- Yes
- No
0 voters
I’ve seen this happening many times in discussions around here, so I want to get you guys understanding of this potential scenario:
A: It rained a lot yesterday.
B: This is a lie.
A: Don’t call me a liar!
0 voters
Everything I say is a lie, including this statement
No. Smart people do stupid things. Shall we label everyone for isolated incidents?
This is a lie!
We should say “this is false” or incorrect or untrue. Lies are told by liars.
What is a liar?
Is an otherwise smart person now a stupid person for doing one stupid thing?
Are we all liars even if it is sporadic, rare or uncommon? I dont know anyone who has never lied before. Does such a person exist?
Will this mean calling a statement stupid now means that we are calling that person stupid?
Will this mean calling a statement stupid now means that we are calling that person stupid?
That’s a stupid question
Are you calling me stupid?
Not if you don’t take it that way?
Is that a lie?
Everything I say is a lie, including this statement
A, is making a statement,
B, is being confrontational
A, is reacting to that confrontation
I voted no (it’s not, literally), but that doesn’t mean I necessarily think it’s
I voted no (it’s not, literally), but that doesn’t mean I necessarily think it’s
Care to expand your reasoning?
It depends on if the accuser can demonstrate that the lie exists in fact. Otherwise, it’s uncivil.
It depends on if the accuser can demonstrate that the lie exists in fact. Otherwise, it’s uncivil.
Suppose the B can demonstrate it. Would that make A a liar?
I think taking this to its extreme logical conclusion we see that it is a failure to empathise. See B cannot believe that A lives in another location that may have different weather. So in B’s world everyone experiences the same reality as they do. For B it is not possible for something different to exists.
Also maybe B and A have a different understanding of what “a lot” is.
If I had to vote, I would vote no.
Ideally I would add another option that says it depends on context. A may perceive B’s comment as an accusation even if B doesn’t mean it that way. Then again, maybe B means it that way, and maybe A doesn’t perceive it that way regardless of B’s intent.
No. “Liar” has a broader scope in common usage than simply “having lied once”.
I would say this: under our rules, it’s definitely forbidden to call a liar a liar. That means saying “you’re a liar” or something like that. It’s not strictly forbidden to call out a lie by that name, but the accuser should be able to demonstrate that it actually is a lie. I also think usually there will be a pretty high bar to demonstrate that, and in most cases it’s definitely best avoided.
but the accuser should be able to demonstrate that it actually is a lie
How could we possibly do that? The difference between a lie and a mistake is intent, which we can only infer based on subjective opinions
As much as I disagree with a lot of the bunk that that gets posted on here, I give those posters the benefit of the doubt that they believe it
Edit: sorry, didnt notice that last sentence when i wrote the reply
How could we possibly do that?
It may well be very difficult and indeed impossible in some situations. I think it’s on the accuser to do so.
Sorry, edited that last sentence in late.