Articles Criticizing Taiwan

But her perceptions are generally held to be true, at least from the perspective of someone from a Western country. She said Taizhong was dirty, heavily polluted, there were cockroaches, the traffic was bad, and it stank. She said there were people burning ghost money at the side of the road, and splotches of betel-nut juice all over the place. Well, what part of that isn’t true?
Really, people must be taking issue with the way she wrote the article, and the emphasis she put on certain aspects of her experience. I don’t see how they can claim that Taizhong is clean, non-polluted, cockroach-free, safe traffic-wise, and with fresh air.[/quote]
Yes so her preceptions maybe true and Tommy maybe wrong. Not the point I was making. :thumbsup: Tommy has the right to believe whatever he wants although he maybe wrong. He also has the right to believe others have a distorted view of reality. Her article was not really that far off the mark I just thought she made a very bad decision. Considering she did indeed read up about Taiwan before she came and seems to be scared of insects one would think a sub tropical country is a bad choice lol. As for beetle nut well I eat it myself so no comment on that; perhaps it distorts my perception of things a wee bit :slight_smile:[/quote]

She said Taizhong was dirty, heavily polluted, there were cockroaches, the traffic was bad, and it stank. She said there were people burning ghost money at the side of the road, and splotches of betel-nut juice all over the place. Well, what part of that isn’t true?

I’m not the biggest defender of Taiwan/Taizhong out there but this is blantantly untrue. Large parts of Taichung City are very liveable, the traffic is pretty light and it doesn’t actually smell that bad (except for in parts). Air pollution is bad though but the same all over most cities in Asia. The old part of Taizhong is a mess like most cities in Taiwan, newer parts aren’t like that. There is little evidence of beetlenut spit in daily life. She claims to have lived overseas in her rebuttal but I guess that meant homestay in the US or Germany or UK …something like that.
A lot of foreigners come to Taiwan and they don’t have enough money for a decent place, a car,take the hsr, aren’t prepared properly with language etc. I know I was one of them! Things are a lot easier after you figure out how to improve your living conditions, as she said she should have gone to Taipei first.
Anyway…I wouldn’t take it too seriously…people complain about the weather where I am from and that there is nothing to do except go to the pub…well if you don’t like to cook what are you doing in the kitchen?

What Lindsey Craig wrote was bad, but not as bad as what this person wrote about Taiwan back in 2006:

taipeitimes.com/News/editori … 2003298635

That Japanese couple just couldn’t hack it. They packed up and left after only two weeks. “Torturous stay,” indeed! And the nerve of that editorial writer, taking their side!

But wait, it gets worse. Have any of you ever heard of an Internet bulletin board called Forumosa? Why, that thing is just chock full of horrible descriptions of Taiwan, many of which are even worse than what that Craig woman wrote.

Here’s a link, in case any of you have trouble finding it: forumosa.com

It’s downright discouraging, the number of people who just don’t love Taiwan enough.

[quote=“Charlie Jack”]What Lindsey Craig wrote was bad, but not as bad as what this person wrote about Taiwan back in 2006:

taipeitimes.com/News/editori … 2003298635[/quote]
Ooooo…That’s a double kick in the face and the gonads! By a Taiwanese researcher at the Academica Sinica, no less!

[quote=“nohobobo”]I agree with you that the “sewers sometimes stink”, but that’s not what she said. She said “Imagine putting your head over a sewer on a really humid day and breathing in as deep as you can. That’s what it’s like here, everywhere, all day, all night”
You would call that accurate?[/quote]

I wouldn’t call it accurate. But, I’m not her. I accept that her perception differs from mine. I also understand and recognize exaggeration for effect. Oh, I think sewers always stink. How badly depends on how close you stand to them.

[quote]I agree with you that the “sewers sometimes stink”, but that’s not what she said. She said “Imagine putting your head over a sewer on a really humid day and breathing in as deep as you can. That’s what it’s like here, everywhere, all day, all night”
You would call that accurate?[/quote]
Taichung in 2005? Yeah. That pretty much nails it. Taichung in 1988? God almighty! It would be KIND!.

Ok what i miss? Back from berserkeley and the laundromat. And had a chance to visit my fav indian restaurant (but i hvnt been there in a year because i refuse to go before 9pm as after that time meals are half price and i usually am starved and cant wait till 9).

So we have concluded what in the last few pages. I gathered that shes a minion and that newspapers are just not spreading the gospel truth anymore. Gathered from the tiger that shes right after-all and that Taiwan pretty much stinks 24/7 everywhere ya go and thats that.

Thru this whole thing I just get the feeling that her article is not entertaining reading. Im gonna try to dig up this other blondies blog bout her stay in the wan, if i can . Now She can really write, but seems to have dis-appeared somewhere. That girl puts a smile on your face with her writing. She aint talking up Taiwan or smacking it down, shes just being REAL. And candid and fun .

If only i placemarked her blog.

point is craig’s piece stank. it wasnt worthwhile and had no redeeming value. Yes that is my opinion and may not be the opinion of others i understand. And my perception of reality is just that…my perception. Not equating to “facts” as known to some other furrimosans :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

[quote=“Satellite TV”][quote=“Skyfae”][color=#0040FF]I will be coming to Taiwan next month and I just wanted some opinions on adjustment. How long did it take you all to adjust to living in Taiwan? If at all…:slight_smile:

Thank you!
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20 years give or take :smiley:[/quote] How long did it take you to adjust?

If only Ms. Craig had hung in there for another nineteen years or so. Seriously, though, I think Satellite TV made a good point: At least for some of us, adjusting here is an ongoing thing, maybe a lifelong thing.

Ms. Craig left in the early stages of the adjustment process, and that experience is what she took home with her and eventually wrote about.

Also, different things affect us differently, depending on our specific culture (down to the neighborhood and even the family) and our complex individual makeups. A case in point (which is probably going to mark me for life as a deee-lux nutcake, if I ain’t already so marked): When I had been here four or five years, I’d gotten used to certain things, and that somehow seemed to make room for other things that had sort of been waiting in the wings. I noticed that in certain situations I was getting annoyed with people for no particular reason, just for being there. Because this baffled me, one day I tried to find out why, and the reason that I came up with surprised me: it’s crowded where I live and work. Now I already knew it was crowded: I could see that it was crowded, and I’d read about it on the board, and I’d probably read about it elsewhere, too. But what surprised me was that I had been acting as if I didn’t know it. I hadn’t really internalized the idea. In other words, it took me four or five years to realize that where I live and work, it’s pretty crowded. I guess my mind was too busy being baffled, worried, annoyed, angered, etc., by other things, and it couldn’t get around to registering the crowdedness until it had (more or less) digested those other things.

And by the way, I’m still adjusting to the crowdedness. And if I ever do adjust to it, there’ll probably be something new to adjust to.

[quote=“tommy525”]
point is craig’s piece stank. it wasn’t worthwhile and had no redeeming value.[/quote]

Agreed. I can handle heavily biased criticism of something I love if that criticism is at least entertaining. But her article was just boring. Not worthy of a blog post, let alone a newspaper. I wouldn’t even let it pollute the pages of my diary.
Writing should either be well-researched fact or intelligent and/or entertaining opinion. Hers is none of the above. Too bad it’ll only be fodder for those bigoted individuals who are sure nothing good exists outside of north america.

Anyone know if this article was actually published in print (waste of trees!) or did it only make it into the online edition?

I liked it. It entertained me and I found it to resonate very strongly with my own perceptions.

warts on a hog that article :slight_smile:

[quote=“Charlie Jack”]What Lindsey Craig wrote was bad, but not as bad as what this person wrote about Taiwan back in 2006:

taipeitimes.com/News/editori … 2003298635[/quote]

Actually, I would give this article a lot more regard than I ever could to Craig’s. First off, it is objective and uses the third party experience of the Japanese couple to establish an argument that is critical, but constructively so. He aims to draw the attention of the public to the fact that authorities could be doing much more to improve a situation he regards as important. Read that to say that he is being proactive, even though uses a negative example of the bad experience the Japanese couple had to establish his point. I don’t see anything close to that in Craig’s article at all; she does point to the dangers of culture shock, but all I see is pedantic self-absorption that could only serve to anger those with less than liberal or forgiving attitudes for an unhappiness she largely brought upon herself…What’s up next on her plate, an article about being afraid of the dark? Agree with Tigerman on one point: She’s definitely a wimp.

What’s wrong with that?

What’s wrong with that?[/quote]

:aiyo:
Man, I gotta learn how to stay away from the news altogether, lol. :wink:

I liked it. It entertained me and I found it to resonate very strongly with my own perceptions.[/quote]
Damn dude you’d LOVE my diary then…

Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion, but I read more interesting stuff about Taiwan DAILY here on Forumosa, and these people don’t even edit their stuff, let alone get PAID to write it. I’m just sayin, she could have spiced it up a little, made it funny rather than dull…?

Look, I searched for all of 2 min and came across this blog post which was head and shoulders above that article in my opinion.

Edit: awww shit I guess a link would help:
whatkate8.blogspot.com/2009/07/i … -cute.html

What’s wrong with that?[/quote]

Because she would probably relate the trivial details of her childhood fears only to end with how she is now a competent fearless adult but glad she was once young cause it sure makes her appreciate the tough time kids have growing up.

I didn’t find it dull. I found it mildly amusing and as I said, very close to the truth as I recall the Chungle in 2005.

I didn’t find it dull. I found it mildly amusing…[/quote]

Man, life must be reaaaaaaaally quiet out there in Ankeng. :laughing:

“Jesus…else.” Yeah, like South Korea! Sure, Taiwan has its problems but there’s no comparison.

Ciao!

Hello all,
So, how’s the mail service going between the mainland and Taiwan? It’s been going on for awhile right?
For those of you sending mail between mainland China and Taiwan, has it been pretty reliable? Please reply
ASAP.

Thank you! :sunglasses:

[quote=“citizen k”][quote=“Charlie Jack”]What Lindsey Craig wrote was bad, but not as bad as what this person wrote about Taiwan back in 2006:

taipeitimes.com/News/editori … 2003298635[/quote]

Actually, I would give this article a lot more regard than I ever could to Craig’s. First off, it is objective and uses the third party experience of the Japanese couple to establish an argument that is critical, but constructively so. He aims to draw the attention of the public to the fact that authorities could be doing much more to improve a situation he regards as important. Read that to say that he is being proactive, even though uses a negative example of the bad experience the Japanese couple had to establish his point. I don’t see anything close to that in Craig’s article at all; she does point to the dangers of culture shock, but all I see is pedantic self-absorption that could only serve to anger those with less than liberal or forgiving attitudes for an unhappiness she largely brought upon herself…What’s up next on her plate, an article about being afraid of the dark?[/quote] But the author of that editorial tore Taiwan a new one, and didn’t chalk it up to culture shock or to his or her perceptions, but rather laid the blame at Taiwan’s feet. (Please note that I’m speaking of the editorial’s author, not of myself–it ain’t my place to blame Taiwan–and that I am not addressing the merits or demerits of the editorial.)

Here’s an earlier, non-editorial article on the incident: taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ … 2003297615

Here’s the Forumosa thread on that earlier article: The Japanese criticize Taiwan's dirty streets, water

[quote=“citizen k”]She’s definitely a wimp.[/quote] Well, you can just set me down amongst the wimps, too :laughing: (where’s the “I’m a wimp” emoticon?), because I view living here as a challenge.