[quote]A speaker at a conference in Sydney’s south-west says a revolution or a civil war may be necessary in order to create an Islamic state, or caliphate.
The meeting has been organised by the controversial Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir, which is banned in several countries overseas.
A number of politicians have called for the group to be banned here.
[b]One of today’s speakers, Ashraf Doureihi, told the audience action needs to be taken to ensure an Islamic state is created.
“It is important… [to move] collectively in the Muslim world to demand this change from such influential people in our lands, even if it means spilling onto the streets to create a revolution or staging a military coup,” he said.
Hizb ut-Tahrir spokesman Wassim Doureihi has told the audience a number of speakers will address the meeting today and discuss ways of establishing an Islamic super-state.
“As we were here today, what is at stake is not just the destiny of the Muslim world but indeed the whole of mankind,”[/b] he said.
Not to put a damper on things, but do we really need to give every Muslim who calls for the implementation of Sharia Law on a western nation the free press time? We know there’s some %age of Muslims who would just love to see Sharia law worldwide (I think 40% is what you posted before, at least in Britain), but really, doesn’t making a fuss over it every time they mention it just grant them more credibility than they deserve?
What I want to know is why I don’t see equally paranoid mention of the Christians who want to return to early Bible based law. Those people are just as scary to me as the fundamentalist Muslims, but they don’t get press time.
Plenty of people are be Muslims but aren’t interested in having what would be an ultimately conservative representative of their faith have a more public, official, or powerful role than such people already do. Take, for example, the Muslims I knew in Turkey who loved to drink and never went to pray but still considered themselves Muslim. It’s not as confounding as it seems at first blush. As I alluded to earlier, many people who call themselves Christians sure as heck wouldn’t want fundamentalists opening up Christian courts in their country.
Inaccurate. It was Muslims groups calling for Sharia law, the government championing it, and some Muslim organizations and individuals opposed to it. This has been discussed elsewhere.
Yes. That was her point, I think. Despite the prohibition, her secular Muslim friends drink alcohol anyways. But Turkey is not an Islamic law state, nor is the sale or consumption of alcohol prohibited by Turkish law. But wherever Islamic law holds sway - Saudi Arabia, Iran, Oman, etc., the sale and consumption of alcohol is punishable by fines, lashings, and imprisonment. Wine sellers and pig farmers in mixed Muslim/Christian parts of the world are popular targets for pro-Sharia factions. In Israel and the Palestinian territories, Christian Arabs who sell wine or pork have been subjected to such regular attacks since the onset of the second intifada that most of them have been forced to close shop, even flee for their lives.
The kind of life that pro-Sharia Muslims in Australia would impose on that country and the rest of the world is not particularly joyful. No alcohol, no music, no bikinis. To quote Ayatollah Khomeini after victory was declared in the Islamic Revolution in Iran:
“Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”
In an Islamic law state, Muslims who drink beer and listen to rock and roll on Friday evening instead of attending prayers quickly find themselves declared apostates by the mutaween (religious police) and subjected to harsh punishments.
The kind of life that pro-Sharia Muslims in Australia would impose on that country and the rest of the world is not particularly joyful. No alcohol, no music, no bikinis.
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i would think more in terms of what would be imposed on anyone trying that, lol[/quote]
As pro-Sharia factions have proven again and again all over the world, in the Aceh province of Indonesia, in southern Thailand and the Philipines, northern Nigeria, Egypt, etc., they are willing to kill and be killed to impose Sharia law. The statements of this pro-Sharia group in Australia seem to echo these convictions.
Perhaps the Cronulla beach riots were just an attempt by Australians to keep their alcohol, music, and bikinis?
Absolutely, and if you know anything more about Australian history then you do know we do it routinely when a newcomer wears out their welcome. The 'slamos are going to have to toe the pluralist line or they will have to fuck off. In a just world I’d do the same to any godbothering scum that tried to impose their will on me through some claptrap written in a dusty Old Testament bogroll.
