Why proxy? You aren’t in Taiwan?[/quote]Yes. I’m in Taiwan. However, I use a proxy when I surf the net in order to maintain my privacy. Also, many resources I like to use are restricted to within the US. Pandora, Netflix, Hulu, and any radio stations owned by Clear Channel are all blocked for IP addresses outside of the US. So, by using a proxy, my computer IP looks as if it’s in the US and I can get all the content I wish. Ha ha, take that Clear Channel! :raspberry:
Why proxy? You aren’t in Taiwan?[/quote]Yes. I’m in Taiwan. However, I use a proxy when I surf the net in order to maintain my privacy. Also, many resources I like to use are restricted to within the US. Pandora, Netflix, Hulu, and any radio stations owned by Clear Channel are all blocked for IP addresses outside of the US. So, by using a proxy, my computer IP looks as if it’s in the US and I can get all the content I wish. Ha ha, take that Clear Channel! :raspberry:[/quote]
Hehehe we all do that
Why proxy? You aren’t in Taiwan?[/quote]Yes. I’m in Taiwan. However, I use a proxy when I surf the net in order to maintain my privacy. Also, many resources I like to use are restricted to within the US. Pandora, Netflix, Hulu, and any radio stations owned by Clear Channel are all blocked for IP addresses outside of the US. So, by using a proxy, my computer IP looks as if it’s in the US and I can get all the content I wish. Ha ha, take that Clear Channel! :raspberry:[/quote]
Hehehe we all do that[/quote]
Yeah, its the only way. Actually I do tunnels with openvpn and some routing. Much more comfortable!
Would actually be illegal by some German laws, not copyright laws but “circumventing access restrictions”.
Problem is when I watch the German private channels in the morning there is only porn. 
(1-2 AM local time there).
Not really because in doing that you’re breaking your contract with DirectTV by “re-broadcasting” content outside the subscribed residence, as well as your ISP’s terms of service for sunning* a “server” on a non-commercial rate plan. All you’re doing is exchanging one infraction - copyright infringement, with several breech of contract ones. And I hope you aren’t using that DVR to skip commercials because your monthly DirectTV sub is priced at a subsidized rate which is offset by anticipated advertising revenues 
Edit: *sunning a server? Hope it’s using appropriate suntan lotion 
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A Hava does no broadcast anything it simply placeshifts from one location to another. Now while some providers may not like it that does not make it a breach of copyrights. It might breach your contract buts thats an issue between the providerand you. Re-broadcast would be where Northcoast Surfer charges people to watch his Hava, like me hahahahaha.
Personal use is legal.
I do the same with Comcast. Bismarck does the same with his HAVA he simply moves content he has paid for, to himself.
BUt I have it live on my own satellites as well, and many others have it live too it is not illegal. NOt in Taiwan anyways
Not really because in doing that you’re breaking your contract with DirectTV by “re-broadcasting” content outside the subscribed residence, as well as your ISP’s terms of service for sunning a “server” on a non-commercial rate plan.
All you’re doing is exchanging one infraction - copyright infringement, with several breech of contract ones.
And I hope you aren’t using that DVR to skip commercials because your monthly DirectTV sub is priced at a subsidized rate which is offset by anticipated advertising revenues [/quote]
Damn! What happened to the customer is always right? :fume:[/quote]
What commercials? hahahah Bismarck as the customer is right.
Not really it doesnt you can still be traced though a proxy.
I can trace your ip through msn or skype too
No, no I don’t. 
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Just get a faster line…
You must have a different definition of what a server is than me, the computer industry, and most certainly your ISP. Any system that waits to send data in response to client devices over a network constitutes a server. Your ISP may turn a blind-eye to certain servers, such as Skype, gaming, etc., while always reserving the right to disconnect those which it considers to be detrimentally affecting its network, e.g. a high-bandwidth video streaming server.
It may be your subscription service but it is provided to you under DirecTV’s Customer Agreement which stipulates:
You are not enjoying the programing in the home registered to receive the service, and you are broadcasting/transmitting.
It doesn’t fall under Fair Use since you don’t have any agreement with the copyright holder. It falls under contract law, since you are not using the DirecTV service in the manner agreed to in the Customer Agreement.
I’d like to see the communications you had with DTV where you said, “Hey I’m going to take my service and send it across international boarders, is that OK?” And they said “Yes.” DTV almost certainly wouldn’t be able to authorize such usage even if it didn’t mind because its agreements with the rights-holders will be for the US market only. There’s not reason for DTV to increase its costs to license content for outside the US.
I’m not joking but I don’t care. It’s between you, DTV and your ISP.
[quote=“Satellite TV”]A Hava does no broadcast anything it simply placeshifts from one location to another. Now while some providers may not like it that does not make it a breach of copyrights. It might breach your contract buts thats an issue between the providerand you. Re-broadcast would be where Northcoast Surfer charges people to watch his Hava, like me hahahahaha.
Personal use is legal.[/quote]
Try reading next time, I specifically said its not a breech of copyright, it’s a contract issue.
The difference between broadcast and transmission is fairly ambiguous, maybe depending on how many people can access the transmission at once. If his Hava can stream to multiple clients at once, it is a broadcast? Either way, both broadcast and simple transmission are both prohibited by the DTV customer Agreement, see above.
Exactly. Now slingboxes and HAVA, Sony Location Free, TV2ME, must be making devices specifically designed to break end user agreements. Maybe thats why Dish TV bought out slingmedia.
Still it doesnt make it illegal. They only thing Direct could do is cease your service, which they don’t even when they know your are using placeshifting devices for personal use. The term broadcast means to make it available for public viewing, like using it at a bar. Nobody would use a Hava or a slingbox to stream to a bar would they?
Not one person I know of has ever had their Direct TV contract terminated for using a slingbox or a Hava, even when Direct knows they are doing so for personal use. ISP’s do not ban you from using them either. I pay for business bandwidth from Comcast and can use that bandwidth as I see fit without restrictions. The same as I pay for dedicated bandwidth in Taiwan for hosting Hava and Slingboxes.
Hava can multicast to several people on LAN and one on remote, and record at the same time. Sadly slingboxes cannot. Hava Wireless has a range of over 300 feet and several people can log on to that at the same time and watch the same content.
So yes HAVA could be used to provide the same channel to several nearby people at the same time. But we would never do that… it’s broadcasting lol
I only own 2 Hava’s, one for my wife to use and one for me.
[quote=“Rik”] [color=#00FF00]Try reading next time, I specifically said its not a breech of copyright, it’s a contract issue.[/color]
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I Must have misread
There are no borders on the internet, which is why it’s virtual reality TV 
Sure it’s ok to send your own content which you pay for, wherever you want, that’s what the internet if for. 
It’s the same as doing a file transfer.
PS Satellite TV I saw hundreds of HAVA’s in your office… how come you only own 2?
You are telling porky pies[/quote]
Telefonica says they want to charge Google for using their lines:
abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9778220
Look how Apple controls what apps you can load on your phone.
In 10 years capitalism on the Internet will be worse than communism…
Operators or Network have no interests to provide you news channels in your own national language when you are outside of their territory, even if you’d pay for it.
If you transfer files from your PC (for your own use) to another by the means of a USB harddrive or Internet doesn’t seem to make any difference. Like I said you arent’ even supposed to “backup” your own DVD’s.
Its all nuts. Luckily there’s enough people who won’t stand that bullshit and do whatever is technically necessary and possible.
[quote=“Satans Assassin”]There are no borders on the internet, which is why it’s virtual reality TV 
Sure it’s ok to send your own content which you pay for, wherever you want, that’s what the internet if for. 
It’s the same as doing a file transfer. PS Satellite TV I saw hundreds of HAVA’s in your office… how come you only own 2?
You are telling porky pies[/quote]
Now now, you are confused. Who owns the HAVA you stream from? I certainly do not. You bought your own satellite receiver and your own HAVA that you personnaly use for your own entertainment.
So all those systems you saw, they don’t belong to me. Same for Bismarck, he owns his own equipment, as do all the people I provide hosting services to. That Dslam fiber hub you saw, that doesn’t belong to me either, it belongs to Hinet. Even the furniture in the office belongs to the landlord. You pay for your own bandwidth as well.
I do not stream anything to anybody. They only stream to themselves, from equipment they own.
I just pay the rent and the power bill every month. I do own a few pencils, a fax printer and a couple of PC’s.
I never said it was illegal, I said it was beech of contract, which falls under civil law.
We both agree that what is being done could lead to service being terminated (without notice or recourse), which was my original point. It’s not sanctioned by the service providers and so all you’re doing is exchanging one type of infringement with another.
We are not at the point where you can pay for content from anywhere in the world and stream to anywhere you are without limitations, which was the original claim.
[quote=“Satans Assassin”]There are no borders on the internet, which is why it’s virtual reality TV
Sure it’s ok to send your own content which you pay for, wherever you want, that’s what the internet if for.
It’s the same as doing a file transfer.[/quote]
But according to the Customer Agreement you haven’t paid for it, you’ve simply purchased a license to view the content under a limited set of conditions. If you want to make an analogy with a file transfer, it’s like emailing confidential documents outside the company you work for. You have permission to view the documents internally, and most likely to transfer them within the works network, but as soon as it leaves the company you are in breech of your employment contract.
[quote=“Rik”] [color=#00FF00]Try reading next time, I specifically said its not a breech of copyright, it’s a contract issue.[/color]
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I must have misread[/quote]
This thread is about Bittorrent, and has progressed to “illegal file downloads”, so my point was that by paying for DTV and streaming over the net, rather than just getting stuff off BT, all you’re doing is exchanging copyright infringement for breech of contract. You’re still not “within the law”.
Do you find that by using a proxy you have access to more content? I’ve tried it before but the overall performance didn’t seem worth it to me. If you’re getting all the content from BT in less than an hour anyway…
Don’t get me wrong, using a proxy is a good way to circumvent IP blocking, but I’m just curious if having access to more content outweighs the lag in performance. Or maybe the performance drop was just with my home setup.
[quote=“rocky raccoon”]Do you find that by using a proxy you have access to more content? I’ve tried it before but the overall performance didn’t seem worth it to me. If you’re getting all the content from BT in less than an hour anyway…
Don’t get me wrong, using a proxy is a good way to circumvent IP blocking, but I’m just curious if having access to more content outweighs the lag in performance. Or maybe the performance drop was just with my home setup.[/quote]
Depends if you want “live” TV. I don’t think downloading Bloomberg TV is worth anything.
Or like I said German private channels in Taiwan morning time (after midnight in Europe) only have porn.
If you watch it in the evening (morning/noon time in Europe) you get lot of boring talk shows that are tailored for housewifes and people that do not have to work. I download documentaries from Public German Websites with rtmpdump and mplayer -dumpstream (you can not get those from Bittorrent). Its even “legal” cause technically the license is already payed (by public television fee’s in Germany).
I watched Rugby (live) over a french VPN with Zattoo.
You don’t have to use the proxy for all routes/connections or can just use a netbook for it.
The Winter Olympics coverage for example will be totally lame in Taiwan (not to mention with Chinese Commentary).
[quote=“engerim”]I watched Rugby (live) over a french VPN with Zattoo.
You don’t have to use the proxy for all routes/connections or can just use a netbook for it.
The Winter Olympics coverage for example will be totally lame in Taiwan (not to mention with Chinese Commentary).[/quote]
Both the Rugby and the Winter Olympics are broadcast on free to air satellites 
Zattoo is struggling to stay alive with their free service as they depend on a shrinking revenue from advertising banners.
[quote=“engerim”]
The Winter Olympics coverage for example will be totally lame in Taiwan (not to mention with Chinese Commentary).[/quote]
That’s a good example of how a VPN could give better access. So will you be using Zattoo to catch the Winter Olympics? I use TVU Player for some online TV but the quality leaves a lot to be desired. Good channels come in at around 400kB.
[quote=“rocky raccoon”][quote=“engerim”]
The Winter Olympics coverage for example will be totally lame in Taiwan (not to mention with Chinese Commentary).[/quote]
That’s a good example of how a VPN could give better access. So will you be using Zattoo to catch the Winter Olympics? I use TVU Player for some online TV but the quality leaves a lot to be desired. Good channels come in at around 400kB.[/quote]
Yes. But I think I’ll only watch the part that plays between 3 PM and 6 PM Vancouver time (thats 7 AM to 10 AM here).
This is what their website says:
Zattoo Basic
Resolution: 352x288 (wide screen: 480x288)
Downstream rate: 500 Kbits/second
Zattoo HiQ (Costs 2.50 Euro /month)
Resolution: 576x528
Downstream rate: 1,2 Mbits/second
Video-Codec: H.264
Satellites is no way for me now.
LNB’s are too expensive and you don’t really know what you get in a package (it might changes frequently) Besides I rent here. I got some colleagues who got very great TV with Japanese HDTV Satellite subscriptions
(its all in Japanese though!). Its a pity Taiwan is so far behind. But hey, cha bu duo, right?..
speaking of Winter Olympics…
Will i be able to watch the men’s ice hockey tourney on my KBro package or am I going to need to stream hunt?
[quote=“engerim”]LNB’s are too expensive [/quote] LNB’s for residential installs are cheap… I think you meant a dish install, also cheap for small dishes. But I have commerical broadcasting LNB’s on my dishes. They can cost up to US$250 for each LNB head, let alone the microwave filters or scaler rings and mounting plates. But then again with 4m and 3m dishes you want to have the best gear.
HAVA and slingbox customers don’t need dishes anyways. Your friends will pay quite a pretty penny for the Japanese satellite subscription, just ask them.
Japan is not the only country with HDTV
