Blue or Green better for Foreigners? (From: journey to getting citizenship)

If you are seriously suggesting that CCK helped democracy along, you will find an piles of evidence showing the opposite. With the push to declassify documents (still much is out of public reach), we know much more now than we did when you lived here decades ago.

But don’t let all this actually, you know, change your mind that blue is better than green. :slightly_smiling_face:

Guy

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Can you read? I said mostly Reagan. CCK did allow DPP to organise at a KMT linked Grand Hotel in 1986. Aware of what happened to Marcos in the PI, CCK also promoted local talent such as LTH against the Old Palace Guard clique.

Great but President Tsai does not
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However, it’s a bit surprising for a DPP administration to try to bask in his legacy. After all, he was the dictator that the democracy movement of the 1970s and 1980s struggled against. Yet this is exactly what they are doing.

Lee said that, like every political figure, CCK[1] had good and bad points, and that we should be fair to him and acknowledge his contributions. He discussed several. First, CCK did away with the dream of reconquering the mainland through military force. At most, he talked about unification under the Three People’s Principles. Second, Taiwan faced several economic crises in the 1970s, and many people unsure about Taiwan’s future emigrated to other countries. CCK stabilized the country with the Ten Major Construction Projects. Third, he realized that the government needed to bring in native Taiwanese talent…Tsai ends his post by exhorting the KMT to return to the true path of CCK: resist communism, promote democracy, protect Taiwan.

President Tsai wrote that?

I agree. He was an evil dictator that disappeared, imprisoned and killed innocent people for their beliefs that had at least a shred of wisdom to see the writing was on the wall and acted for the survival of his kleptomaniac triad party. Had it not been for the future DPP’s sacrifices, he wouldn’t have given up power. If he was as stubborn as his father or Xi Jinping, him and his party would’ve been relegated to the dustbins of history that so many authoritarians find themselves in.

My fair assessment.

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I’ve tended to find that for where I work(ed) KMT governments were better for foreigners and DPP were less good. I wonder if this is because the DPP are v independence minded so have less regard for foreigners.

I certainly believe that Taiwan was more foreigner friendy previously compared to now.

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you really like the word bohemian!

So you think blue is the lesser evil for foreigners in 2023? When was the last time you lived in Taiwan, and when was the last time you read up on which country is funding which party? Is the US a more friendly place to foreigners, or is China, would you posit?

Politicians all say that, no politicians ever say they are politicians, but that they care about causes.

It seems a human can only have community with about 150 people at most, beyond that they are just a number, an “other” that only takes. This is why communism never works. Unless we become like ants or bees where our mind is completely collective or hive like, humans are by nature greedy and selfish as fuck and political and economic systems reflect that.

Yea because Soviet Union went bust, that’s probably why, but Soviet Union isn’t even socialist either, it’s more autocratic. They just find that capitalism works better for them, but seems Xi wants to go back to Mao Zedong time. The only thing that is really true is that absolute power corrupts absolutely, and so political systems are devised so that no one can have absolute power. Unfortunately in the USA that’s failing, power is being increasingly concentrated and there are no checks and balance anymore as the other branches of the government simply just rubber stamps whatever the president says.

I honestly don’t believe there’s a difference between KMT and DPP anymore. If you ask my dad he thinks DPP is a bunch of evil liars. Besides DPP’s party platform is unattainable, anymore than true communism is attainable (essentially DPP would cease to exist once Taiwan is independent). Seems all DPP does is kiss up to America, which is probably why they seem more foreigner friendly, at least if you are lucky enough to be a white foreigner, they treat SEA people far worse.

KMT might kiss up to China but at least China won’t be racist towards Taiwanese, can’t say the same for America. As far as America is concerned Taiwan is just some place nobody cares about, and not white so nobody gives a fuck. If Americans are already struggling to support Ukraine (who are white) what makes you think they even care about Taiwan.

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Try preaching this realism to fresh-off-the-boat poli-sci grads :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :disguised_face: who lionize the strawhats as they do Che.

KMT is just a branch of CCP in Taiwan. KMT is a conservative right wing party on other hand DPP is much more liberal (LGBT and etc).

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KMT is simultaneously a conservative right wing party and a branch of the Chinese Communist Party. Is the Chinese Communist party right ring these days too?

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Not sure I fully agree with this. Some of the most socially conservative areas of Taiwan are deep green. And look at the opposition to Tsai within some parts of the party. Chauvinist and very socially conservative. In Taiwan, there are left and right factions in both parties. Views on cross straits issues trump all.

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the only “communism” left in CCP is just its name. CCP now is a far-right fascist party.

Because there couldn’t be a far left fascist party?

CCP has ideology shift since Xi took over. The policies he dished out are race-based ultra-nationalist.

Back to the topic, since KMT wants to align itself with the mainland (or CCP), look at how CCP treats its minorities races citizens.

9 posts were split to a new topic: Not about treatment of foreigners

Neither by much, if you are referring to non ethnic Han. However , the DPP has a way better record on human rights than the KMT. Why would any party care that much about western foreigners , as they don’t have enough eligible to vote. Vietnamese/Taiwanese on the other hand are now a huge demographic.
Oh and mixed race western / Taiwanese are a growing demographic.

Good for you, tens, hundreds of millions can’t exactly do that.

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Joining the Russians?

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CCK was married to one
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Far-left is communist. Far-right is fascist. Get your directions right (no pun intended).