Blue or Green better for Foreigners? (From: journey to getting citizenship)

Alan,
The Nazis were national socialists. If one looks at their legislative election results in the early 30s and analyses it, they gained Social Democratic Party votes when they had their best legislative showing albeit still not finishing first.

Furthermore, before the Night of the Long Knives, there was definite class antagonism towards the elites, evident in the Ernst Rohm wing of the party and their dislike of the Hohenzollern monarchy. Definitely socialist IMHO. So lots of fascists within Communism and vice versa. Goes back to Stalin, Bukharin etc. and their belief in bureaucratising the state (communism in one country vs Trotsky’s and often Lenin’s view that it had to be international/permanent revolution).

Both systems vile but not polar opposites.

The KMT, which you mentioned you have family connections to, is a Leninist structured party, that still had ties to Germany.

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The party’s guiding ideology is the Three Principles of the People, advocated by Sun Yat-sen and historically organized in a Leninist basis of democratic centralism,

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Only because DPP has no history, not been around long enough to have one.

Do you really think if the DPP were in charge of Taiwan in some alternate history, that they would do better?

Party name don’t mean jack shit, people are selfish assholes whether they are called communist or socialist or capitalist.

Reason politics is evil is because humans are evil. There might be good individuals in every society but on the whole humans are evil. Always expect bad behavior, never good.

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As presently 66 million population Britain, would be a little difficult.
Margaret Thatcher was prime minister United kingdom not leader of the world population like joe Biden thinks he is.

Everything you’ve described sounds like Nationalism to me, which is also far-right, but not as extreme as fascism.

EDIT: I just read the “Three Principles of the People” link you provided, and that also sounds like Nationalism to me.

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Nationalism seems as natural as evolution or natural selection. It’s the default state absent any intervention.

Off the top of my head milestone achievements for foreigners in Taiwan:

  1. Chen Shuibian- permanent residency offered to foreigners.

  2. Ma Yingjeou- reduced time requirement for APRC from 7-5 years. Eliminated mandatory stay of 180 days for APRC.

  3. Tsai Ingwen- provided foreigners with a new number format for their APRC.

#1 and #2 made significant changes. #3? Nothing.

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Added the option for dual citizenship for some foreigners.

Gold Card Programme introduced

Simplified citizenship applications

Relaxed requirements for leaving with an APRC

Reduced APRC requirements to three years for special foreign professionals.

Legalisation of same sex marriages with foreigners.

Addition of APRC holders to receive tax rebates and stimulus money.

Foreigners included in labour pension system.

Foreign newborns allowed to join NHI.

Relaxed restrictions for new foreigners wishing to get a driver’s licence. Reduced from one year to six months of residency.

Driver’s licences no longer tied to ARC.

Foreigners no longer need to go to the police station and have an easier time at the new National Immigration Agency

Convenient cards replace paper books.

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With regards to the broader foreign expat community already living in Taiwan there has been little to no progress towards a pathway to dual citizenship. Which is the next significant step towards treating foreigners fairly.

Your list #1-6 hasn’t had any impact on my life in Taiwan.

#7 stimulus was given grudgingly after being shamed by the foreign press.

8 is good.

The rest have had little to no impact on my life.

#1 is despicable

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I think some of these were previous to Tsia YingWen, they may have expanded the access e.g. Labour pension.

And no.1 smells like ‘some of the new animals were better than others, so we gave them more food’.

I do get the feeling that Tsia YingWen and Su Zhen Chang see us as economic units and not much beyond that. It’s no surprise really as Tsai is an economist herself.

And they are loath to be seen to be too nice to foreigners in case there is some local pushback. Locking caregivers out of the labour standards act is a rotten thing to do, never mind avoiding giving any kind of benefit whatsoever to the broader migrant community.

Look what do both parties have in common? They are led by old people. Conservative to the core. When this generation gets replaced we might see more significant changes. But I reckon one Chinese missile will snap them all to attention very very quickly and they will be throwing stuff at us to stay or fight. That’s what I reckon. Let’s see what happens.

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And perfectly in keeping with the government’s corporatist agenda. Are these foreigners helpful in advancing Taiwan’s cutting-edge industries? OK, we’ll throw you some scraps. How about the other foreigners who settle in Taiwan and make a life for themselves? Not a “foreign senior/special professional”? Couldn’t care less…

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Yep its simply an economic calculation in their head. They are both BUSINESS FIRST, see that time and time again. Their ridiculous makeup days being the most obvious thing, which they even inflict on school students against all scientific research on the matter. Because if the kids don’t go in, the teachers don’t go in, and if the teachers don’t go in wtf is everybody else doing ?

But they will HAVE TO SUDDENLY change their tune when shit hits the fan. I don’t think I will be fighting they can go fuck themselves unless my family is attacked.

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Exactly. I’m not fighting for a country that gives less than zero fucks about me.

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They aren’t very smart. The biggest threat right now is China militarily and politically, it’s not a few make up days for ELECTRONIX CORP, yet they still treat the 800k foreigners here like muck and don’t want to add on 800k engaged prime of their life adult citizens to bolster their military and political power.

Nah…they dumb!

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Not every government policy is going to affect everyone. I am straight; same sex marriage doesn’t apply to me. This is a thread about if blues or greens are better for foreigners in general

Before it was 0 foreigners getting dual citizenship. Now it is some. Some is better than nothing. My post is not describing that everything is good, my post describes that they have a better track record and I trust them better with our issues. But we still need to push for dual citizenship. And anyone who knows my post history knows that I have worked to push for it.

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A rounding error off zero Marco.

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Not to the people who have been here for decades and aren’t getting it, while elite carpetbaggers who just got here are. It’s a slap in the face.

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I pulled all of these from 2017 and later.

I have not said any of these are somehow out of the goodness of their hearts. I just am saying that due to this record, I trust the greens to come with foreigner friendly policies more than the blues.

I have never said things were perfect or that the greens are perfect or even good. I just said that I think one is better than the other. There is always more work to do.

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I wouldn’t say dumb

It’s the short term hyper-practicality that drives and also undermines everything here.

It’s that hyper practicality that makes Taiwan rich and also fucks up doing anything on a big scale or thinking about the big picture. And this applies to pretty much every facet of Taiwan life including commerce and governance

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I don’t disagree, but progress towards something is progress nonetheless. It is progress when @fifieldt can legally vouch for us.

If things come towards us in our favour, I am going to welcome it and then continue pushing for more.

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