Yeah, as the âState of Israelâ was established right around that timeâŚyou do know that 1948 is when it officially was founded? So no, not at all the same thing, my god.
Exodus =/= expulsion.
You know, a lot of blame can be placed on Great Britian for this mess, with the Treaty of Balfour in 1917. They really messed so many parts of the world up didnât they? Elephant in the room really.
The biggest enemy of Palestinian aspirations in 48 were the Jordanians and Egyptians. It was a land grab pure and simple and they lost. But was it over the rights of the Palestinians? No. That was 1960s, and even then, they were still wary of Arafat.
âArab states in 1948 pursued their own strategic interests and often suppressed Palestinian autonomy, contributing to the failure of Palestinian self-determination â alongside Israeli military success and international support for Israel.â
Thatâs all history and the history is not going to change. However, 10/7 was an unprovoked terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel who responded.
If Hamas actually cared about the Palestinian people they would have laid down their weapons long ago, but they donât , which is why theyâve used their billions to dig tunnels and buy weapons.
Whoâs to blame? Either all or none of them IMHO, but if your neighbor attacks, kills over 1000 and takes 250 hostages, only war can result⌠and war is a bloody mess.
Care to review the UN vote? Definitely not unanimous. Israel would have been in trouble werenât it for the Eastern bloc, especially the Czech arms deal. Strong Hagenah tactics, Soviet support, and the Arab army being tribal. Donât think weâre disagreeing too much.
No it canât change now that it is in the past, but it does provide context for the current clusterfuck at hand.
Oh no no no, Israel knew the attack was coming via Egyptian intelligence, at the very least. There was also such a peculiar 6-hour standdown order on the day of the attack. It is not nearly as clear-cut as you might believe. In the words of Charlie Kirk:
You know that Bibi funded Hamas lavishly for years right? Open secret.
Ethnic cleansing/genocide is not war. The numbers are pathetically disproportionate. What, you think for every 1 Israeli that died 70 Gazans should die? This is, very conservatively, the ratio.
No it wasnât, and never said it was unanimous. International support =/= unanimous international support.
Sucker on aisle 4⌠here is the original source. Not even related. My god I should get used to this caliber of contribution, but somehow I continue to feel surprised.
A minute of the forumâs time to view this video â in exchange you will see firsthand how the beloved poster above got duped again by propaganda.
Incorrigible. It merely means that you fell (again) for complete bullshit. Thunberg was not talking about the killers or anything related to this tragedy at all in that video like you thought.
Not possible for you to admit you made a mistakeâŚin the late game I know.
My Christmas wish is that Zionists and Hamas stop slaughtering women and children and focus on wiping each other off the face of the earth instead so we can finally have some peace.
Ripple effect in fully display, sadly. Pearl-clutchers will do their thing, but it doesnât change the grim reality of it.
How many slaughtered Gazan children did it take to radicalize the already unstable shooters to commit such a heinous crime? 100? 5,000? 15,000?
More children in Gaza have actually died at the hands of the IDF, in reality.
Radicalization happens, regardless of our feelings about it being warranted or not. You want to mitigate the chance of crazies reciprocating crazy from here on out? I do.
Proposed solution: Cut out all contributors of crazy. Itâs really not a hard concept to grasp. Chalking it up to âOh those savages are at it again I see!â is myopic, dim-witted, and robs the situation of important nuance.
It does nothing toward breaking the cycle of violence.
Kudos to the guy who tackled one of the shooters by the way. I sure hope his Syrian background (and most likely Muslim background) gets covered appropriately.
You have a borderline fanatical support for Palestinians. Are you one of them? If not itâs a bit weird, TBH. Culturally they are a long way from your belief system - acceptance of homosexuality, transgender, womenâs rights etc.
This is a thread about some Jews who got massacred on a beach in Australia and youâre using every opportunity you can to attack Israel and support Palestine - or at least minimise the seriousness of the terrorist attack.
I heard a survivor of October 7 was also at the beach that day and survived againâŚjust awful for him.
Iâm not condoning antisemtism but I think this will happen more and more.
Israelâs reputation is possibly worse than Putin right now. And by default, a lot of anger against Jews and Israelis.
But I have to say Israelis have not made thing easier for themselves. I was just in Koh Samui and the locals and existing expats have all told me Israelis are moving in masses and taking over certain areas and causing local friction with poor behaviours.
You hear lots of frustrations when I was in Koh Samui with people saying the Israelis are ârude and act like that own the placeâ. Itâs like they are acting in defiant of their reputation now instead of keeping their head down.