[quote]Both Fred and George are Weasleys. == They both are Weasleys.
In the first sentence “both” is clearly a determiner (quantifier). You couldn’t say that ‘Fred and George’ is an appositive of “both” in this instance. It doesn’t rename or give more information about them, it just quantifies them. [/quote]
Nope, sorry. In the first sentence, Both is clearly being empoyed because of its “conjunction” usage.
In the second sentence, it’s an appositive.[/quote]
That’s correct according to Webster’s, but there are a lot of other sources that call it a determiner. Here’s one source:
fortunecity.com/bally/durrus … mch20.html
But thanks for giving the option. That might be the easier explanation.
As for the second one, I don’t think it’s an appositive. The purpose of an appositive is to clarify or give further information. “both” does not do this, but rather specifies quanitity. It would have been a convenient explanation, though, and I may still use it if called upon.
Classifying it as a conjunction seems to be in line with more traditional, Latin-based classifications of grammar. Classifying it as a determiner seems to be a product of modern linguistics. But since we’re teaching here in Taiwan it may best to stick to the traditional.
[quote]Both does in fact both “rename” and “give more information about” the subject They.
“we foreigners all”- foreigners would be an appositive for “we”, but “all” would be a quantifier. All does not rename “we”, it quantifies us. You could say “both we foreigners” or “we both, foreigners,…”
It seems that “both” and foreigners are functioning differently.