Just for fun, let’s pretend it is the 90s and Joy Luck Club, Farewell My Concubine and Eat, Drink, Man, Woman are all playing at the theaters and I say how irritating it is that Asian stories are in vogue and get an equal oppurtunity boost. I’d be pounced on so quick.
Say what? What other gay themed movies or stories have gotten the boost that Brokeback has? It could be argued that a lot of the boost Brokeback has been given is from the right. In fact, you couldn’t pay for that kind of advertising.
I will watch part 2 where the son of one of the guys wants to commit suicide, because of his spoiled childhood but is then rescued by a gay Mormon priest who introduces him into the secrets of Mormon magic underwear. Finally he falls in love with a vacuum machine for obvious reasons and all (son, priest, vacuum) live happily ever after.
[quote=“Flicka”]I don’t recall the conservative crowd making a big deal when Last Tango in Paris came out on DVD. Stupid hypocrites.[/quote]Flicka -
Trust me on this, there was quite an uproar over the bath-tub scene in “Last Tango in Paris” when it came out. Also a lot of tongue clucking about the age difference between Brando and the very young starlet he was doing the booty bounce with. And the press hype of the day was that it was “actual consumation” on film, not just angles and dry humping.
“Last ango in Paris” - Good movie, not a great movie, IMO. Very artsy fartsy for its time.
[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“Flicka”]I don’t recall the conservative crowd making a big deal when Last Tango in Paris came out on DVD. Stupid hypocrites.[/quote]Flicka -
Trust me on this, there was quite an uproar over the bath-tub scene in “Last Tango in Paris” when it came out. Also a lot of tongue clucking about the age difference between Brando and the very young starlet he was doing the booty bounce with. And the press hype of the day was that it was “actual consumation” on film, not just angles and dry humping.
“Last ango in Paris” - Good movie, not a great movie, IMO. Very artsy fartsy for its time.[/quote]
I’m sure cutlery makers loved the film at the time
Frankly, I don’t see why the uproar from either side. When the right goes nuts, it just makes people wonder what all the fuss is about, so they go see the movie, thus defeating the purpose. When the left shoots back about how bad and intolerant the right is, they sound ridiculous because by saying it they are being intolerant. I guess I just don’t understand political culture
Its an uproar because its America thats why…the same shit happens everywhere else on the globe but nobody cares. Now go back to the theater and fork some more NTD/Euros/Lonnies over to Hollywood but make sure to come back and report in on what else you they taught you.
My Beautiful Laundrette got a huge boost by the Mr. Angries in the Home Counties. It was a much smaller film in a much smaller country, but if you look at it in relative terms…
On the off chance that any of you haven’t seen the film yet you’ll want to keep that opinion in mind despite comments from people like Roger Ebert that Marlon Brando’s performance is the finest acting ever commited to celluloid. Other prominent critics I’m sure prasie the film as much for it’s script, soundtrack or direction, but hey, Tainan cowbody says it’s just good, not great so…
On the off chance that any of you haven’t seen the film yet you’ll want to keep that opinion in mind despite comments from people like Roger Ebert that Marlon Brando’s performance is the finest acting ever commited to celluloid. Other prominent critics I’m sure prasie the film as much for it’s script, soundtrack or direction, but hey, Tainan cowbody says it’s just good, not great so…[/quote]
Nah, I just feel like arguing with somebody so I can connect with the wounded child in me and work through some of the fear, hostility and rage burning deep inside. Later I’ll get all emotional and apologize to Tainan cowboy. I’ll say “I’m sorry you are stupid Tainancowboy” and then he and I will give each other a big internet hug and I will feel alive again. That’s all. Except, besides I have the flu and am in a nasty mood. :raspberry:
[quote=“bob”][quote=“TainanCowboy”] “Last ango in Paris” - Good movie, not a great movie, IMO. [/quote]I think he meant IMHO.
On the off chance that any of you haven’t seen the film yet you’ll want to keep that opinion in mind despite comments from people like Roger Ebert that Marlon Brando’s performance is the finest acting ever commited to celluloid. Other prominent critics I’m sure prasie the film as much for it’s script, soundtrack or direction, but hey, Tainan cowbody says it’s just good, not great so…[/quote]bob -
Nope…I meant…In My Opinion…I don’t play the fake humility game.
And my comment was my opinion of the overall movie. I liked it. Saw it in the cinema and spoke well of it to friends. Brando’s performance was quite good - as Brando usually is. Especially in the 50’s, 60’s and early 70’s. If I remember correctly, it has been at least 30 yrs ago, I even made a point of buying the [i]Rolling Stone[/i] issue that featured Brando on the cover and had a very large article and interview with him regarding this movie. So yeah, I liked it. But, IMO, I do not classify it as a “great” movie.
Now [i]Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension[/i] on the other hand…
Oh…and forget the 'later apology"…just learn to control yourself and you won’t have to worry about apologizing later, IMO. :upyours:
[quote]bob - Nope…I meant…In My Opinion…I don’t play the fake humility game. And my comment was my opinion of the overall movie. I liked it. Saw it in the cinema and spoke well of it to friends. Brando’s performance was quite good - as Brando usually is. Especially in the 50’s, 60’s and early 70’s. If I remember correctly, it has been at least 30 yrs ago, I even made a point of buying the Rolling Stone issue that featured Brando on the cover and had a very large article and interview with him regarding this movie. So yeah, I liked it. But, IMO, I do not classify it as a “great” movie.
Now Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension on the other hand…
Oh…and forget the 'later apology"…just learn to control yourself and you won’t have to worry about apologizing later, IMO. [/quote]
I had written a stupid quip about not being sorry you were stupid then. That seemed stupid itself though so I decided instead to write this…
What’s the problem with admitting that your opinion is humble? Humble is good. Humble means you know how large your world and how small your understanding in relation to it. If you or I were well respected film critics we could offer “opinions”, but even if we were well respected film critics we would probably still offer “humble opinions” because we would at least have a glimmer of a clue of how much we don’t know. That’s how education works.
I saw it last night and thought it was a very good movie, completely in line with Ang Lee’s typical quiet, drama-in-everyday-life style. The most horrible part is reading and seeing people discuss it, both online and in person. Normal, usually intellectually capable people are reduced to nothing more than “OMG!!11Bareback Mountin!LOL111”, ignorance, insults, homophobia and hate abound, and the long, long road gay people have before us before our identity isn’t the subject of ridicule in nearly every situation (at least in the US) becomes painfully, horribly apparent. Just look at this thread for examples, albeit not by far the worst you’ll find on places like Metafilter and Fark.com. To me, reading and hearing things like that feels like the end of the movie, when someone in the film dies in a pretty awful way.
Even people I had considered good friends can’t seem to bring themselves to talk about this film without dissing gay people in the process. Try talking about one of Spike Lee’s films concerning African-American identity and see how many racist jokes you get, and how easily, if at all, such jokes are accepted by mainstream society. I wanted to ask Ang Lee about it when I was talking with him about the film the other night, but we didn’t have time; he had to go see his parents before he flew back to the states. I wonder if even he knew how revealing the reaction to this movie has been in the US.
Here in Taiwan, thankfully the audience didn’t scream “Ewwwww!” and make snarky comments at the screen, as I’ve heard is common in many areas in the states.
I thought we were being pretty civilized so far so I re-read this thread to see what you were talking about. I still don’t know. Toe Tag made an unfortunate choice of words but other than that I couldn’t find much. It seemed that most of us were interested in an honest exchange of feelings and attitudes and part of such an exchange is going to involve people saying how they feel about the actual act of sexual intercourse between two men. It’s the only way forward I think.
I remember one time I was struggling with the notion that some people close to me were gay and I mentioned (to my girlfriend of the time) something about my distaste over the idea that they performed oral sex on other men. “You don’t seem to mind when I do it to you,” she said. I don’t know why but that simple exchange made it a lot easier for me.
Anyway, I guess what I’m trying to say is that everybody is suffering currently, gay people and the people who love them, but I don’t think that way out of this mess is act as if “it is no big deal” if in that isn’t what you honestly feel.
I agree. It’s irritating how in vogue gay stories are - a bit over done.
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Just for fun, let’s pretend it is the 90s and Joy Luck Club, Farewell My Concubine and Eat, Drink, Man, Woman are all playing at the theaters and I say how irritating it is that Asian stories are in vogue and get an equal oppurtunity boost. I’d be pounced on so quick.
Say what? What other gay themed movies or stories have gotten the boost that Brokeback has? It could be argued that a lot of the boost Brokeback has been given is from the right. In fact, you couldn’t pay for that kind of advertising.[/quote]
That would be irritating too. Did it happen that all those movies came out the same year? (asian ones)
And I agree, the right probably has done as much as anyone to picque everyone’s interest.
I think that there are a bunch of gay themed TV shows and movies that have come out over the last several years, and it’s becoming cliche. It seems like when something new/interesting comes out on either TV or the screen, then it’s a mad rush to reproduce it all over the place - and it gets overexposed. Like the reality TV show, back in the 70’s it was the Variety show.
[quote=“sandman”]Hmmm. Toe Tag or Rolling Stone. Toe Tag or Rolling Stone… decision, decisions.
I’m going to see this film. Scripted by Larry McMurty, yet? Lonesome Dove/Last Picture Show McMurty I suppose that is? Double-dipping damn! Can’t WAIT to see it![/quote]
Hear me now, believe me later. The movie is weak. I’m sure its a great short story, but it shoulda stayed that way. Yes, they have some great scenery (shot in Alberta, not Wyoming), and they licensed some fun music, but I only really cared about the (thin) characters at the end, it was too late then.
Look forward to your review. A movie that did its edgy theme justice? Anyone seen Crash? Far more worthwhile.
I agree. It’s irritating how in vogue gay stories are - a bit over done.
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Just for fun, let’s pretend it is the 90s and Joy Luck Club, Farewell My Concubine and Eat, Drink, Man, Woman are all playing at the theaters and I say how irritating it is that Asian stories are in vogue and get an equal oppurtunity boost. I’d be pounced on so quick.
Say what? What other gay themed movies or stories have gotten the boost that Brokeback has? It could be argued that a lot of the boost Brokeback has been given is from the right. In fact, you couldn’t pay for that kind of advertising.[/quote]
Well that’s my point, I’ve put up with this pro-gay-film bias for several decades and finally I’ve decided to speak out about it. (And risk being labeled homophobic, etc.) You had to go back to the 1990’s to come up with your asian example. We’re not fed a constant diet of over-hyped asian-themed movies because 1. unlike the gay-themed movies we are force fed, its not a contant diet, it was just a fad, and more importantly 2. the asian-themed movies you mention were actually pretty good movies, they were hyped, but not over hyped like they were the second coming of the deer hunter.
I’d like to add that “A History of Violence” sucked; completely incoherent, downright pornographic, and the worst music I’ve ever seen fitted to a film like a bad suit.
The good news is, by whinging about it, the conservatives have shot themselves in the foot and pulled hordes into the theatres to see Brokeback Mountain. But I still feel the movie will then polarize its audience, and you will either realize you need to come out of the closet, or realize that you are sure of your heterosexuality, Kinsey (great film BTW) notwithstanding.
[quote=“Toe Tag”]Well that’s my point, I’ve put up with this pro-gay-film bias for several decades and finally I’ve decided to speak out about it. (And risk being labeled homophobic, etc.) You had to go back to the 1990’s to come up with your Asian example. We’re not fed a constant diet of over-hyped Asian-themed movies because 1. unlike the gay-themed movies we are force fed, its not a contant diet, it was just a fad, and more importantly 2. the Asian-themed movies you mention were actually pretty good movies, they were hyped, but not over hyped like they were the second coming of the deer hunter.
The good news is, by whinging about it, the conservatives have shot themselves in the foot and pulled hordes into the theatres to see Brokeback Mountain. But I still feel the movie will then polarize its audience, and you will either realize you need to come out of the closet, or realize that you are sure of your heterosexuality, Kinsey (great film BTW) notwithstanding.[/quote]
Why do you think the movie has to be about confirming/denying ones own sexuality? Why can’t you see it as movie, meant to entertain, that happens to contain homosexual aspects? 99% of the movies I’ve seen are full of heterosexuals, and that hasn’t turned me straight.
As to the “constant diet of gay movies” you refer to, do you have a list of movies you were “force-fed”? Do the numbers overwhelm the numbers of “straight” movies on the market to prove your “pro-gay film bias” accusation?
