Bruce lee and steroids?

a recent book (like the past few years, okay not so recent) by linda lee’s second husband talks about Bruce’s use of steroids. he claims he saw prescriptions and other evidence of this. the book tries to explain Bruce’s volatile temper as the result of his steroid abuse. i realize the writer has a thing or two against Bruce(living in his shadow eventually caused them to divorce) and maybe even a reason to downplay ( money, the guy may be a vulture), but his argument makes sense. haven’t read it yet. just the interviews where he discusses this and a lot more things.

gets me thinking: how much of our image of bruce is the result of the lack of info at that time and the ability of publicists to make stars bigger than they were?

[quote=“rantheman”]a recent book (like the past few years, okay not so recent) by linda lee’s second husband talks about Bruce’s use of steroids. he claims he saw prescriptions and other evidence of this. the book tries to explain Bruce’s volatile temper as the result of his steroid abuse. i realize the writer has a thing or two against Bruce(living in his shadow eventually caused them to divorce) and maybe even a reason to downplay ( money, the guy may be a vulture), but his argument makes sense. haven’t read it yet. just the interviews where he discusses this and a lot more things.

gets me thinking: how much of our image of bruce is the result of the lack of info at that time and the ability of publicists to make stars bigger than they were?[/quote]

I’ve been told that Linda Lee Caldwell’s husband never met Bruce.

Additionally, Toby Russell (son of the famous director Ken) did a documentary 10 years ago titled DEATH BY MISADVENTURE, which interviewed a plethora of peopel within Bruce’s inner circle, as well as the American coroner who performed the actual autopsy on Lee’s body.

He admits that Bruce died of an allergic reaction to a compment of hashish. At the urging of Raymond Chow, the head of Golden Harvest Studios (Bruce’ theatrical producers/distributors in Hong Kong), there was concern for Lee’s family’s financial situation. Chow had him cook the sheet and lable Bruce’s cause of death, “death by misadventure,” so that the family could receive the insurance money.

Linda Lee has gone out of her way to alienate all of Lee’s friends and Bruce’s best friends Taky Kimura and Dan Insanto are not on good terms with her. Namely because she’s reportedly greedy and only out to keep Bruce’s name sterling, despite the fact that Bruce was seperated from her and shacking up with Taiwanese “meatball” Betty Ting Pei (a dog, in my opinion, but some people found her a hot item in the 70s). It was in Ting’s Hong Kong apartment that Bruce had died.

Ting has gone on and off the record as admitting to having had an affair with Lee, and profited form it when the Shaw Bros. studio cast her in a pseudo-biographical account of the affair called BRUCE LEE & I (starring Danny Lee Hsiao-hsien as Bruce).

The late James Coburn and Sterling Silliphant used to smoke up with Bruce in LA. I’m struggling to remember the interview where Coburn talked about this.

I also believe that it was Coburn who talked about Bruce’s preference for INGESTING hashish!?!

Linda Lee has gone well out of her way to try and control the Jeet Kune Do name (part of the reason Dan Insanto nd Taky Kimura are not on good terms with her), and amde some insane demands over that horrible “biopic,” DRAGON, that changed well known facts about Bruce’s upbringing (including the fact that his mother was half-Cauasian, and that Bruce did not have issues with gweilo, but the triads, and that forced him to leave Hong Kong. In America he was actually rather outgoing, by accounts, and had no “gweilo” issues), etc.

So, the truth: Bruce grew to hate his wife, was about to divorce her, was haking up with Betty Ting Pei, was about to make a film for the Shaw Bros. studios (i. e. leave Golden Harvest), and while I wouldn’t be surprised if he was experimenting with steroids, the time frame for such supposed use would have made him a kind of “pioneer” since many professional athletes didn’t start playng around with the juice until the late seventies/early eighties.

Linda Lee’s accounts of Bruce are about as bogus as the old Bruce Li (Taiwanese actor Ho Chung-tao) films that endless pondered his demise. I’d hold her second husband’s “accounts” to be even more suspect, given he had no relationship with Bruce whatsovever (save being Linda’s sloppy second).

That’s my 2 cents.

Bruce took a lot of steroids, he was very bad tempered and lost many friends as a result of that, when he became a superstar in HK his life went down. Very sad, he was nonetheless a great martial artist.

yo, rick and igor. thanks for the input.

according to tom bleecker, the author ( tom is the 2nd husband,3rd husband is bruce cadwell) bruce’s use of steriods combined with diuretics killed him. at the time, (pioneer is the right word) they weren’t illegal. he was just taking what he thought all top performance athletes would at the time. the russians were like pounding everybody at that time thanks to steroids. he goes on to talk about bruce having hypo-testoteronism, and and an undescended testicle. he says it would have been impossible for bruce to have had the kind of body he displayed without the help of steroids, given his condition (addison’s disease).

what ever happened to ting pei? i hear various reports.

[quote=“rantheman”]yo, rick and igor. thanks for the input.

according to tom bleecker, the author ( tom is the 2nd husband,3rd husband is bruce cadwell) bruce’s use of steriods combined with diuretics killed him. [/quote]

There has never been any proof of Bruce using steroids: ever. Outside of Bleecker’s speculation, no concrete evidence has turned up about this. Given that the actual medical professional who performed the autopsy identified the culprit pretty much settles that steroids were not the factor.

However, I hold Bleecker suspect based on three things:

1.) He could have an axe to grind

2.) He didn’t know Bruce Lee. Evidence exists to support a solitary meeting, and one that was totally public and places Bleecker more as a bystander than having any profound interaction with Lee.

3.) He claims to want to “debunk” the “myths,” around Bruce Lee’s life (largely Linda’s creation), and I therefore suspect the book is more about getting even with her than in providing anything beyond intelligent (albeit suspect) speculation on Bruce’s death. Bleecker does not appear to be a medical professional, nor someone who knew Bruce Lee first hand, outside of his widow - who really didn’t know Bruce Lee that well either! Additionally, I’ve heard claims that Bleecker says Bruce was coming off of steroids during the making of THE GAME OF DEATH and thus wore the infamous yellow and black track suit to hide this fact, but the previously-unreleased, original footage Bruce shot for the project (which was never completed as intended, since he halted production to work on ENTER THE DRAGON and died before he could resume work on the film - which would have also featured James Coburn, a cameo by Steve McQueen, and Muhammed Ali!!! The footage shot featured James Tien Chun, Danny Inosanto, and the infamous, kick ass brawl against the man we now know a Kareem Abdul Jabarr (sic?) that filmmaker John Little reconstructed (according to Lee’s production notes), has him sans shirt and in the same phsyical form as his earlier films like THE BIG BOSS.

FWIW, the footage was released in 2002, and can be seen in its entirety in Little’s documentary: BRUCE LEE: A WARRIOR’S JOUNREY, and with additional outtakes in the bizarre Japanese docudrama BRUCE LEE IN G. O. D. from 2003 (I think, maybe 2002. I saw it in 2003).

I’d like to add that I’ve worked with people who were stereoid users. There are telltale signs of steroid use that Bruce never displayed, further leading me to believe he was not on steroids (perhaps something akin to stereoids, the supposed “other diuretics” that I gather Bleecker insinuates).

Bruce’s pecs were rounded, as they shold be. Folks on the juice tend to have squarer pectorals.

Backne and chest acne (read: SEVERE) tend to be one of the first signs.

Intense deepening of the voice, noticible gain in muscle mass and even abnomral growth in height are also obvious signs. A great example is Hulk Hogan going from 6ft 8 to 6ft 5 (his actual height) between 1992 to 1993 (when he came clean about it in a notorious trial) and the present, a case in point.

A flattening of the ass, squaring it (like the pecs), shrinking of the gonads, hair loss and rashes are also attributable to steroid use.

Other signs include the 'roid rage (given Bruce’s lifelong reputation for being a hothead - one that got his father, Lee Hoi-chuen to send him back to America - where he was born - after he tangled with the tongs, and one that his Wing Chun master, the late Yip Man, always scolded him about). Accounts from family and friends (including Bruce’s brother Robert, and his best friends/inner circle of Danny Insanto and Taky Kimura - with Taky having known him since he arrived in Seattle from Hong Kong) suggest Bruce was a hot head as well.

So, while it could be argued that he had 'roid rage and been on the juice, I still have serious doubts about this, given the source.

Whatever the case, Bruce’s abuse of his body brought about his downfall, and that is what all of us - save his widow - agree upon, be it the casual fan, or bitter ex-husband of his widow.

It will be a book I try to grab when I head out on winter break. Good food for thought.

While I’m a fan of Bruce Lee (I prefer Sammo Hung Kam-bo, actually, but Bruce was fantastic in his four completed films - I don’t consider GAME OF DEATH, as released, to be an honest Bruce Lee film,I like the real, flawed, tragic Bruce Lee. The one that history is starting to shine a light upon, despite Raymond Chow (who has profited the most from the deification of Lee) and Linda Lee Caldwell’s attempts to bang the tired, old drum.

Now, how would he know about the gnads? Really. I seriously doubt Linda would have talked about that, given she strikes me as a dilusional bird who believes the myths she’s fabricated about the man. She certainly lived in denial of his affair with Ting Pei.

But is he a medical professional?

For a while she was married to Charles Heung, a known triad (considered one of the “good ones” in the HK film industry) and former actor who has since headed up Win’s Film (now known as China Star Entertainment). He can be spotted as “ng gor,” or “Brother 5” in Wong Jing’s GOD Of GAMBLERS and its direct sequel, GOD OF GAMBLERS’ RETURN, for example.

Supposedly she became a buddhist nun. I am not so sure about that, but I have heard she resides in Taiwan.

Interesting background stuff Ric, Thanks.

ric!
i think you’ve nailed bleeker. bruce WAS a hothead before he even turned 10, i think!

i hate the linda lee camp. they’re full of it.

you know, i met WALLY JAY! he was such a nice guy. little old me can do some of his small circle jujitsu even today! he talked about bruce to us, and said when there was a party at a chinese restaurant, you’d go up to the second floor and everybody in the room would be enthralled in listening to one little guy chatting it up and having a good time. he said you’d look and it’s be bruce. then a tear came to his eye.
don’t care what bleeker says. bruce was SOMETHING to have had that kind of effect on people, even years after his death. i took Professor Jay’s luggage upstairs to his hotelroom with another guy and we said goodbye to him. then we like started jumping up and down all the way back downstairs. “we met wally jay”!!!

[quote=“rantheman”]ric!
I think you’ve nailed bleeker. bruce WAS a hothead before he even turned 10, I think![/quote]

I don’t know why (with the great Cathay and Shaw Bros. flicks on the market in HK) some of Bruce’s early films are not available on DVD yet. I was able to see one of his surviving child performances, KID CHEUNG via a HKIFF screener and man, he was a spunky kid. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t have to think much about playing that part.

I know there are three or four other b & w Cantonese flicks that Bruce appeared in that have been restored, but what has become of them? Only the HKIFF knows.

What I want to know is where Jon Benn’s (mafioso in WAY OF THE DRAGON) bar in HK is. I’ve never been able to find it, or if I did, I probably didn’t realize it was his bar.

Sadly, they control the way Bruce is marketed and promoted. Nestea commercials are okay, but trying to access Bruce’s home movies (legally) is very difficult.

That’s a name I haven’t heard mentioned in a long time.