Can the Israel boycott end the 40yr Palestinian Holocaust?

Some further info on the internet appearance of Hates new face:

[quote]Hate’s new face
by Michael Corren

I received an e-mail last week from someone called Yusuf Patel, which read, "You are a crypto-Jew on top of being a little piece of (expletive). You love money more than anything because of your Jewish origin. You talk about fairness the same way FOX news is fair and balanced.

“You are out and out racist you little piece of (expletive). You came out of the gutters of England and you show your origin as soon as you open your (expletive) dirty mouth. You have no self-respect, but how can I expect that from a crypto-Jew! You have no sense of shame because you are a psychopath that means you have no conscience you donkey.”

Such e-mails are entirely typical and are repeatedly sent to people who speak out in support of Israel, who oppose Islamic extremism or defend Christianity.

The people who write these letters assume that they can never be traced.

Not so. I have tracked death threats to New Zealand, the United States and Europe. All have been dealt with.

We found Yusuf Patel closer to home, in Mississauga, Ont.

Interestingly enough, someone by that name in the same town has written on the website of Holocaust denier David Irving, defending the right to question the Nazi slaughter of the Jews.

The Mr. Patel I telephoned denied that this was he, but readily admitted several times, with obvious pride, that he had indeed sent me the e-mail.

There was no sense that he thought he had been in any way abusive or unfair, no willingness to apologize, no acknowledgement that such hatred was unacceptable in a pluralistic and tolerant society.

Nor is Mr. Patel some young thug, but a soft-spoken senior citizen.

If, however, you find this surprising and think that such attitudes are the preserve of neo-nazi skinheads, you are dramatically wrong.

Just days ago on British television, award-winning columnist and broadcaster Richard Littlejohn presented an extensive documentary on the new anti-Semitism.

In it he and his guests, mostly non-Jewish, explained how shocked they were that the majority of hatred of Jews seemed to come from white leftists and young Muslims.

Which leads to the irony of grotesque levels of racism in an e-mail accusing someone, entirely falsely, of being a racist.

The explanation is that a great deal of what was known as the anti-racist movement has been hijacked by an obsession with condemning the United States and Zionism.

We saw this during marches in Toronto and Montreal where left-wingers chanted that they were, “All Hezbollah Now!” The Islamic terror group in question is fascistic, theocratic and vehemently anti-gay and anti-feminist.

It stands, in fact, for almost everything socialism claims to oppose.

There is a similar disconnect with union boycotts of Israel.

While they have little support among union members, they do tell a frightening story.

Small pockets of, shall we say, anti-Zionist zealots manage to pass motions singling out Israel as the great Satan, even though the Jewish state is the single country in the Middle East where workers are allowed to form genuine unions.

As opposed to somewhere like Iran, where earlier this month the leader of the only free union in the country was beaten and abducted by security police.

Calls for a boycott? Don’t be silly.

Then again, I’m probably not to be believed. After all, I’m just a crypto-Jew.
torontosun.com/News/Columnis … 57089.html[/quote]

Some info on the scum who are calling for the Israel boycott.

JWCampbell, ok, you haven’t said how your cause isn’t anti-semitic, but at the very least you claim it is.

Can you just answer the taiwan question? skip the others. I don’t even care.

Do you live in taiwan, or is this just a message board you use to spread ‘information’?

… and a general question (for anyone familiar with the term): What is a Crypto-Jew? A Jew in Gentile’s clothing?

“crypto-Jew”…I’m not sure either. Kinda stumped on that one. I could hazard a guess and say its someone who covertly or tacitly forwards the Jewish religion or aims of Israel…but that is merely a guess.

[quote=“lurkky”]JWCampbell, ok, you haven’t said how your cause isn’t anti-semitic, but at the very least you claim it is.
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The cause is anti-occupation…Let me ask…When Israels Ambassador to US calls for an Iran boycott should he also be labeled a racist?..and all that support it?

[quote]
Ambassador to US calls for Iran boycott

Jul. 22, 2007
The world should launch a divestment campaign as was carried out against South Africa in the 1980s to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, Israel’s Ambassador to the US Sallai Meridor told The Jerusalem Post Thursday.

His comments came as Israeli officials expressed frustration that the world isn’t acting quickly enough on Iran. In the latest sign of delay, reports indicate the UN Security Council won’t draft a new sanctions resolution until September.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1184766027664&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Israel is arrogant enough to call for a Boycott on Iran, a nation that has not invaded another for 200 years, from developing its nuclear capacity when it has already “illegally” produced more than 200 nuclear weapons…I’m sure this Boycott will get lots of high profile support…

Accusations of antisemitism only serve as a distraction from the illegal 40 year occupation…
Are you pro-occupation?


1960s…2007…

My location is classified :slight_smile:
The Oxford English Dictionary defines forum as follows:
A discussion group which is accessible online, as through a mailing list, a bulletin board system, a newsgroup, or the World Wide Web, esp. one dedicated to the exchange of information and opinions on a particular topic.

So humour us: do you think that the Jews who were displaced/expelled from surrounding Arab lands, especially Iraq, and had their property expropriated should have it returned to them? No? Then you are an antisemite.

(Granted, Jews/Israelis have no desire to “return” to those places, but this is hypothetical).

Two of the pertinent definitions for “holocaust” given in the fourth edition of the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language online, aside from the most well-known one which is conventionally capitalized and refers to what the Jews endured in Europe, are “Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life” and “A massive slaughter: “an important document in the so-far sketchy annals of the Cambodian holocaust” (Rod Nordland).” The fact that you hyperbolize the situation in Palestine with the use of the term holocaust is further proof that you are an antisemite.

Put simply, you hate Jews. You may have come to this hatred via a warped and illogical sense of sympathy with whom the left have identified, simplistically, as the “victims” in Palestine, but in the end it’s all much of a piece.

There are many people who support a two-state solution for Palestine. It is clearly the only viable means of ever attaining any semblance of peace. Will it happen in our lifetime? Hard to say. It surely would be interesting, and even edifying, if you had something meaningful to say about how you think this might come about. We’ve seen quite a few posts pushing a “boycott,” so we get your point. Most people don’t agree with it, and have said as much. How about explaining your views without garish graphics? This is supposed to be a discussion forum.

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do you think that the Jews who were displaced/expelled from surrounding Arab lands, especially Iraq, and had their property expropriated should have it returned to them? [/quote]

Which century are you talking about?

Americans sure throw this term around easily……

So you don’t think the Palestinians should have their land back……so I should label you pro-occupation, anti-human rights, anti-Islamic? Are you?

Other more rational people would call it a comparison….but I understand where you’re coming from….it’s difficult for you to challenge what is almost Taboo in the States without resorting to accusations of antisemitism……


Jimmy Carter: “I realized when I chose this title that it would be provocative,” he said. “I hope it provokes people to actually read the book and to find out the facts.”

Naughty Jimmy!..using provocative titles…

This is a fair description of what is and has been happening to the Palestinian people for the past 40 years…… Thanks for looking up the definition……much appreciated….

A successful International Boycott will allow individuals to act where their governments have failed. The two-state solution, in my opinion, can be a reality in our lifetime. But it will take action from people of good conscience across the world to end the occupation and force Israel back to the Armistice line. The Boycott of Apartheid South Africa had humble beginnings and was extremely controversial. The actual influence of the economic Boycott on the demise of the Apartheid regime is debatable. But as an awareness raising tool it was second to none. When the American Churches started to get behind the Boycott the politicians in the US started to act….

53%…agree have a look at the poll……:slight_smile:

A picture tells a thousand words……and how about your opinion of the Occupation?

Do you consider calling those who support the Boycott antisemitic meaningful discussion?


1960s…Jews for Justice for Palestinians…Can Jews be antisemitic?

[quote=“jwcampbell”][quote=“rousseau”]
do you think that the Jews who were displaced/expelled from surrounding Arab lands, especially Iraq, and had their property expropriated should have it returned to them? [/quote]

Which century are you talking about?[/quote]
Jewish Exodus from Arab Lands
Justice for Jews from Arab Countries

Where is your concern for the other side of the equation? You have none. Why is that? Clearly, part of the reason is that the Jewish refugees have done so well in comparison with the Palestinian refugees, who have come to be known, simplistically, as victims in the deal.

I don’t have well-developed opinions on the whole issue, and don’t particularly have any fondness for Israel. As an atheist I find the notion of founding a country in a specific location based upon stories in an old book rather repugnant, to be honest. I don’t see how compensation for Jewish refugees would be a feasible option, either. But I don’t hate Jews, as you do (and as the Palestinians and almost all other Arabs/Muslims do). Your support of a boycott, your hyperbolic use of the terms “holocaust” and “apartheid,” your narrow-minded refusal to consider other sides of the issue and your wish to see Israel weakened and thus subsequently destroyed are disturbing.

You talk in sound bites. I don’t see how further discussion on the issue would be profitable. I’m out.

P.S. I’m not American.

Please don’t feed the trolls… :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote=“rousseau”]
Where is your concern for the other side of the equation? You have none. Why is that? Clearly, part of the reason is that the Jewish refugees have done so well in comparison with the Palestinian refugees, who have come to be known, simplistically, as victims in the deal.

I don’t have well-developed opinions on the whole issue, and don’t particularly have any fondness for Israel. As an atheist I find the notion of founding a country in a specific location based upon stories in an old book rather repugnant, to be honest. I don’t see how compensation for Jewish refugees would be a feasible option, either. But I don’t hate Jews, as you do (and as the Palestinians and almost all other Arabs/Muslims do). Your support of a boycott, your hyperbolic use of the terms “holocaust” and “apartheid,” your narrow-minded refusal to consider other sides of the issue and your wish to see Israel weakened and thus subsequently destroyed are disturbing.

You talk in sound bites. I don’t see how further discussion on the issue would be profitable. I’m out.

P.S. I’m not American.[/quote]

Wise words, rousseau.

The two-state solution provides for both sides. A Jewish nation and a Palestinian nation.

Looks to me like the destruction of Palestine is imminent……not the destruction of Israel….

[quote=“rousseau”]Clearly, part of the reason is that the Jewish refugees have done so well in comparison with the Palestinian refugees, who have come to be known, simplistically, as victims in the deal.
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The Palestinians haven’t “done well” because they have lived under Occupation for 40 years……your omission ignores the elephant in the room……it also ignores 300 billion dollars in support the US has provided over the past 50 years….The O word is such a distasteful word…….have you used it in this thread?

That much is clear……you do know how to throw around the anti-Semitic label though….perhaps you should read Jimmy Carter’s book……

I think that’s the tenth time you’ve called me a racist…Thanks for sharing some of your highly developed opinions……It’s a world of hate and only Occupation and Dispossession is the answer….and everybody is racist…… the millions of members of the South African trades union congress and the 200,000 Canadian Union of Public Employees (Ontario) who have joined the Boycott….are they racists as well?..how convenient….are you racist as well or is it just everybody else?

The terms are used to capture attention. They are very effective at that. The legacy of the Holocaust and apartheid should be applied to all forms of oppression……we should learn from history not ignore it ……. You reserve the term holocaust for the Jews…I do not……It’s not taboo for me……Perhaps we should reserve
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ccupation with a capital O for the Palestinians? They have endured the longest
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ccupation in history……they deserve it….

A Boycott destroy Israel? Sounds like hyperbole to me…… With this kind of over reaction to the Boycott you’d think the Trade Unions had developed nuclear weapons……:slight_smile:

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Boycott leader: I’m being vilified

The man who proposed a resolution calling for a boycott against Israel, passed by Britain’s main academic union, has claimed he was the victim of “sustained vilification” by “eminent American professors and supporters of Israel”.

Tom Hickey, chair of the University and Colleges Union (UCU), and a Philosophy lecturer at Brighton University… which called on British academics to “consider the moral implications of links with Israeli academic institutions”.

“The conflation of a boycott proposal and a proposal to debate the appropriateness of a boycott clearly serves the purpose of those who wish to deflect attention from the substantive issue: the plight of people suffering under occupation,” Hickey added.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3428976,00.html [/quote]

Tom Hickey is sure having a tough time…I wonder how history will judge him…

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South African union supports Canadian boycott of apartheid Israel

From: President, Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU)
To: President, Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), Ontario[/b]

On behalf of over 1.2 million South African workers organized under the banner of COSATU I greet you in the name of worker internationalism. It is this solidarity, since the formation of the very first union and across space and time, often in the face of harsh repression, that provided vital moral succour and allowed workers to strengthen their resolve against oppression and exploitation.

In this spirit and with great pride, I congratulate CUPE Ontario for their historic resolution on May 27th in support of the Palestinian people - those living under occupation and those millions of Palestinian refugees living in the Diaspora. We fully support your resolution.

As someone who lived in apartheid South Africa and who has visited Palestine I say with confidence that Israel is an apartheid state. In fact, I believe that some of Israel’s actions against the Palestinians make the actions of South Africa’s apartheid regime appear pale by comparison.

The latest outrage by the apartheid Israeli regime - the construction of the hideous Apartheid Wall - condemned by the International Court of Justice - extends the occupation of Palestinian lands, disrupts the already precarious economic, social, health and educational wellbeing of an entire people and entrenches the Bantustanization of Palestine.

When the governments of the world turn a blind eye to these injustices; when they are seduced by apartheid Israel’s justification of brutality through the pretext of “security”; when they silence criticism of state terror through the canard of “anti-Semitism” - then it is time for the global workers movement to stand firm and principled against hypocrisy and double standards. We cannot remain silent any longer. It is time to stand in word and in deed with the peoples of the Middle East and heed their call to support the struggle against occupation. There will be no peace in this region and in the world, without justice…

… South African workers will never forget the support given by the Israeli state to the apartheid South African regime. In the same way we will never forget the thousands of acts of solidarity of ordinary citizens around the world who sustained our struggle through the boycott weapon…

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/cosatu.htm[/quote]

To answer your original question: Very, very doubtful, as long as its being touted by people such as yourself. Is this boycott really such odious filth as you are making out? I’m going out to buy me some nice fresh oranges.

I think you’ve hit on something here, Sandman. :ponder:

Whether this current “jwcampbell” log-in identity is operated by the same person/people who also employed the “j.scholl” log-in (another log-in name used to distribute cut-and-paste spam posts, who was tasked with “Forumosa.com” in his list of websites to cover – in the j.scholl case relating to 9-11 conspiracy theories), I don’t know.

But regardless, in each case, a curious failing is the inability to understand that repeated, systematic, regurgitation of paranoid propaganda text-blocks and pictures/banners/graphics on a particular subject are not only (a) unlikely to change anyone’s opinion who isn’t already a “believer in the cause”, but also (b) actually more likely to influence open-minded people who are undecided on the issue to dismiss the position espoused by the spammer as unworthy of serious consideration.

I doubt this is the result that j.scholl/jwcampbell is striving for, but I have little doubt that this is the result that such “WANT VIAGRA NOW???/MAKE MONEY QUICK BY INVESTING MY INHERITANCE FROM NIGERIA!/JEWS ARE EVIL AND PLANNED 911 AND ARE COMMITTING A HOLOCAUST IN PALESTINE!!!” discussion-forum spam campaigns, in fact, achieve.

Oh well. Pity.
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H

Is it really anti-semitic? I’ve not read it all, which I accept is a bad place to be arguing from, but I thought he addressed that adequately.

HG

Is it really anti-semitic? I’ve not read it all, which I accept is a bad place to be arguing from, but I thought he addressed that adequately.

HG[/quote]

Fair enough, HG. That may have been an unfair characterization on my part. In my view (and here I actually agree with our esteemed spammer colleague(s)), “anti-semitism” is a term that is often thrown around too liberally when discussing this subject, and I think that is as silly as much of the tripe trotted on the opposite side. I will remove that adjective. Still stand by the rest though. Thank you for correcting me there.

-H

Only if you give the spammer the benefit of the doubt as to his or her intellectual capacity. Otherwise, its a completely understandable failing. My penis is now three inches longer, by the way, and I have all my debts consolidated in one convenient account.

odious filth? people such as yourself?

Enjoy your Occupation Oranges…

Should I add a clapping smiley here?

Thanks for removing the ‘adjective’. At least we can agree on one point.
BTW, there is a holocaust occurring in Palestine…It’s hard for people speak out because they are labeled antisemitic…

The British Medical Journal has a Head to Head feature about the Academic Boycott
Extremely controversial to say the least…many are calling for a Boycott of the Journal…


Should we consider a boycott of Israeli academic institutions? Yes

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/335/7611/124

Should we consider a boycott of Israeli academic institutions? No

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/335/7611/125

They also conducted a poll which received almost 30,000 hits.

http://www.surveymk.com//sr.aspx?sm=YjRQ5iQLF0ztfNgS6yJKybK9QP6sRpQub7TJRKgEqMI_3d

Salman Rushdie once said that you need to call rubbish rubbish. This is rubbish.

Regardless of your position on what’s happening in Palestine, calling it a holocaust is hyperbole and simply false. What’s happening in Darfur is a holocaust. Why would anyone possibly compare Palestine with Darfur? How could anyone of sound mind compare the two?

Not finding Israelis agreeable in a social setting is one thing. I’m guilty of a slight prejudice myself in that regard, as most of the (younger) Israelis I’ve met travelling have invariably been rude and obnoxious. But while the lack of social niceties is one thing, claiming that Israelis are committing a holocaust when a fucking real holocaust/genocide is happening the next continent over is quite another.

It’s not hard for you to speak out at all. You keep on saying there is a “holocaust” occurring in Palestine, but the message that’s coming through is “I hate Jews.” Is it any wonder people are, you know, calling you on it?

Salman Rushdie once said that you need to call rubbish rubbish. This is rubbish.

Regardless of your position on what’s happening in Palestine, calling it a holocaust is hyperbole and simply false. What’s happening in Darfur is a holocaust. Why would anyone possibly compare Palestine with Darfur? How could anyone of sound mind compare the two?

Not finding Israelis agreeable in a social setting is one thing. I’m guilty of a slight prejudice myself in that regard, as most of the (younger) Israelis I’ve met travelling have invariably been rude and obnoxious. But while the lack of social niceties is one thing, claiming that Israelis are committing a holocaust when a fucking real holocaust/genocide is happening the next continent over is quite another.

It’s not hard for you to speak out at all. You keep on saying there is a “holocaust” occurring in Palestine, but the message that’s coming through is “I hate Jews.” Is it any wonder people are, you know, calling you on it?[/quote]

:bravo:

Welcome back rousseau……I see you brought your racist slurs with you…


90% of their land is Occupied… Gaza, one of the most densely populated tracts of land in the world, is now the world’s largest prison, home to 1.3 million prisoners. Israel controls the airspace, and all the borders with the world’s 4th largest army. Gazans are being subject to the most dramatic and perverse practices of economic suffocation and starvation. What would you prefer I called this situation. What term would be more acceptable to you? More commentators are calling it what it is, a holocaust.

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Slouching toward a Palestinian Holocaust


Richard Falk
June 29, 2007
…Against this background, it is especially painful for me, as an American Jew, to feel compelled to portray the ongoing and intensifying abuse of the Palestinian people by Israel through a reliance on such an inflammatory metaphor as ‘holocaust.’ The word is derived from the Greek holos (meaning ‘completely’) and kaustos (meaning ‘burnt’), and was used in ancient Greece to refer to the complete burning of a sacrificial offering to a divinity…

… Is it an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not. The recent developments in Gaza are especially disturbing because they express so vividly a deliberate intention on the part of Israel and its allies to subject an entire human community to life-endangering conditions of utmost cruelty…

[b]Israel is currently stiffening the boycott on economic relations that has brought the people of Gaza to the brink of collective starvation. This set of policies, carried on for more than four decades, has imposed a sub-human existence on a people that have been repeatedly and systematically made the target of a variety of severe forms of collective punishment. The entire population of Gaza is treated as the ‘enemy’ of Israel, and little pretext is made in Tel Aviv of acknowledging the innocence of this long victimized civilian society.

To persist with such an approach under present circumstances is indeed genocidal, and risks destroying an entire Palestinian community that is an integral part of an ethnic whole. It is this prospect that makes appropriate the warning of a Palestinian holocaust in the making, and should remind the world of the famous post-Nazi pledge of ‘never again.’ [/b]

http://www.transnational.org/Area_MiddleEast/2007/Falk_PalestineGenocide.html
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They are different. The Palestinian holocaust has been going on for 40 years and is bankrolled by the world’s only superpower. The genocide in Darfur should be stopped and so should the genocide of the Palestinians…

More racist slurs…pathetic.