Caught teaching kindergarten

Yes, I was a naughty boy and taught and got caught at kindergarten.

To set the scene, this is down in the former Tainan County, so really on the outermost fringes of the give-a-shit radar with regards to English teaching.

I came into school by bicycle at around 8:45, and out of the corner of my eye spotted a congregation of folks on the other side of the road by the 7-11.

Thought nothing of it.

Teacher B arrived a little later, mentioned it, but didn’t think too much of it either.

Class started at 9:00 and then at around 9:10 a frantic teacher entered the classroom with a quiet, but firm “Go to the roof! NOW!”

Members of the National Immigration Agency and Bureau of Labor Affairs had approached the building from both entrances and I suppose spotted us going up, but after a few minutes they came to the roof with video cameras in hand to document everything.

We went downstairs, were taken to our classrooms (of course, still being filmed), where Anna of Labor Affairs asked the kids if they knew who we were to which the little ones all enthusiastically replied “Teacher _____!” (bless their innocence). I suppose this was for evidence of our teaching there that the kids knew who we were.

The three of us were escorted to the school office, where we were asked a few questions and showered with apologies and explanations as to why this had all happened. Aside: after talking with others, no-one (locals) believes this kind of thing can happen, in fact I’ve had to repeat myself over and over again that this really does happen.

Anyways, there were three of us, A on ARC, B on APRC (with Open Work Permit) and me with JFRV. Residence status has relevance later.

Anna (from Labor Affairs) explained to us, the school manager and the boss that we were in violation of xyz clause of the blah blah act and that we were teaching illegally, and that our employer was not allowed to hire us to teach.

We all had to sign a declaration of guilt stating as such. It also stated that we had not resisted their efforts to catch us and that we had been cooperative. They entered our details on the document. I read through the whole thing (it’s in Chinese) with some assistance from the office staff just to verify everything (you can never be too sure). The document also stated when we had started working there, how many hours per day we taught and how much we had been paid. They also made copies of our resident cards.

A, B and I were told to go back to our classrooms to pack up all our things so we wouldn’t have to go back at any time. Our employer also had to pay us in full up to the current date. He was required to do it immediately and we waited while he went to withdraw money and we signed for it.

B and I were told to just leave and not return to the school. A had to go to the NIA for processing.

Although the official said he would drive A to the NIA, A went by car and met the official at the offices later.

A’s paperwork took an unusually long time to process. Three months AFAIR, but it would usually only be 1-2 weeks.

A was eventually deported, although given a very long extension due to special medical circumstances. Despite this extension, the ARC was cancelled and NHI was stopped, meaning full price medical care only. Ouch.

This was a rather freak occasion, as the authorities in Tainan in general just let life go on as long as you don’t kill anyone. Anna explained that there had been multiple reports to the education department in Tainan, which of course were more or less ignored. The same person had got into direct contact with the education department in Taipei to tell them that Tainan were sitting on their hands. That person pressed Taipei, Taipei then pressed Tainan to take action, and finally Tainan pressed down on the school and us. In hindsight there was a total of three months where I saw Anna three times, twice at my cram school (only once to check on my status there), A had also seen Anna before. Since that time, all the officials have returned to their usual quiet ways.

Seems as your ex-boss pissed someone off … big time, because he/she made a huge effort to get it done.

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Yes, we suspected someone was very pissed off. Lots of speculation but no hard evidence. This kindergarten is still very big and had five laowai back then, so other school owners in the area regularly reported on the school.

An interesting account of the consequences of teaching kindergarten. I guess nothing really happened to the APRC and JFRV holders but I’m surprised they were even able do as much as they did. Of course teaching English in kindergarten is illegal but open work rights are a bit of a gray area.

Thanks for posting your experience; you’re doing a good service to others contemplating coming to Taiwan to teach English.

In 2007, when I was preparing to come to Taiwan, a simple Internet check informed me that teaching kindy was illegal, along with the repercussion of probable deportation. However, there were also quite a number of expats assuredly saying that the checks were rare, that the school would hide/protect you, that “Hess does it and they’re the largest buxiban on the island”, etc. Since I had the mindset that I wanted to stay in Taiwan for awhile, and since I didn’t want to waste my time and money (and kill my dream) by being deported, I resolved not to accept a job at a kindergarten.

I’m glad I listened to my gut. I found a legal teaching job, I never had to worry about any raids, and because I kept my nose clean with the NIA I’m now a permanent resident with open work rights (open, in accordance with the law). I’m not judging others who are willing to take the risk. Just be aware that it is a risk.

Thanks PumpkinSlayer. People who get caught out by the authorities tend not to write up their experiences. In particular, those who get deported don’t usually post here, so they can’t warn the newbies. We can link to this thread in the future when the subject of teaching at kindies comes up.

Sorry you got caught out. Good luck. :aiyo:

Had a long conversation about this the other day and actually went to a few offices to make sure of a few facts… That being that Arc with a work permit gets done under the labor act and your work permit gets cancelled and thus you have no reason to be here and so you are deported… Aprc and spousal break the education act as in no foreigner can work in an kindy…this is then decided on whether you get fined or deported.

Your residency wasn’t affected because you’re on a JFRV, but does it put a black mark on your record or anything? Were you penalized in anyway?

BTW, the account was well written and informative. Thanks for sharing.

What is a JFRV and why would it give you greater protection from deportation than an ARC/APRC?

I thought if you broke the rules, they kick you out, no matter what type of visa you hold…

Seems like the raid was professionally done.

Sorry, but you do not have to sign a declaration of guilt.
You don’t have to climb a fire-ladder either.

Read the ministry of education’s guidelines where they stipulated what they consider illegal teaching English in Kindergartens and then, just don’t do it.
I don’t think that your presents already violates any laws. Teaching in a classroom fashion, however, does.
No reading or writing, memorizing vocabularies etc.

[quote=“Right Wing”]What is a JFRV and why would it give you greater protection from deportation than an ARC/APRC?

I thought if you broke the rules, they kick you out, no matter what type of visa you hold…[/quote]

Because a JFRV holder has open work rights. He/she can do any work a Taiwanese could do. Getting up early in the morning and doing a normal job is not such a big criminal offense as to justify deportation.
Actually, I guess, it’s a civil misdemeanor at most.
ARC holders are in violation of their visas.

No, nothing further happened to the APRC and JFRV holders.

Teaching at kindergarten is, as I understand it, actually not allowed at all, even by locals. Having full-on English lessons is not part of the allowable curriculum for kindergartens. Of course, it’s impossible to catch local teachers teaching English. The foreign face is a give-away.

About breaking the law.

The ARC holder is breaking the terms of their work visa, which specifically states that no other work may be taken apart from places that are legally allowed to give it to them. Consequences of breaking the work permit rules is clearly stated. Kindergartens, of course, can’t sponsor a work permit.

For the APRC and JFRV holders, I’m not sure what the actual infraction is, except possibly for breaking the rules of the ministry of education or labor department. But I’m guessing.

[quote=“Hokwongwei”]Your residency wasn’t affected because you’re on a JFRV, but does it put a black mark on your record or anything? Were you penalized in anyway?

BTW, the account was well written and informative. Thanks for sharing.[/quote]

Hmm, a black mark of some kind…

Well, they do have the signed declaration of guilt that I taught at a kindergarten and am now aware that my actions were in violation of said rules. Although I don’t have a copy of the document (should have made one), they have one with them, signed by me.

So in case of a further infraction, which is unlikely because the schools have been freaked out, my previous infraction would count against me in any action they take.

Even though I’m moving to an APRC soon, I doubt (famous last words) deportation would ever come into the equation. I would in all honesty expect to be issued a fine of some sort and another black mark, but no criminal charges.

[quote=“Right Wing”]What is a JFRV and why would it give you greater protection from deportation than an ARC/APRC?

I thought if you broke the rules, they kick you out, no matter what type of visa you hold…[/quote]

These three are…

Work ARC - the sponsor is your employer, it has their details on the card to state as such
JFRV ARC - the sponsor is your husband/wife, it has their details on the card to state as such
APRC - the sponsor is yourself

Work ARC is issued because you have acquired work. Your reason for staying here is your employment. You are bound by the rules of that work permit, one of which is that you cannot work in kindergartens.

JFRV and APRC allow you to obtain an open work permit. You are allowed to accept any work without seeking permission first, and without the company you work for having to sponsor your residence. However, you are still bound by rules of the department of labor and whatever other organizations. You are breaking their rules, rather than the terms of your work.

[quote=“pumpkinslayer”]

Teaching at kindergarten is, as I understand it, actually not allowed at all, even by locals.

For the APRC and JFRV holders, I’m not sure what the actual infraction is, except possibly for breaking the rules of the ministry of education or labor department. But I’m guessing.[/quote]

I have yet to see convincing evidence of this. I’ll be interested to hear if any consequences befall those involved here.

[quote=“Hamletintaiwan”]
Sorry, but you do not have to sign a declaration of guilt.
You don’t have to climb a fire-ladder either.

I don’t think that your presents already violates any laws. Teaching in a classroom fashion, however, does.
No reading or writing, memorizing vocabularies etc. [/quote]

Yes, because if my presence was enough to get me into trouble I wouldn’t be able to take my children into school. Heck, I could even claim I was dropping off my niece who goes to the school I was caught at.

You also now got me thinking. They were building a whole case by waiting and filming us entering the school. They had evidence of us all entering the school without kids in hand. But that still doesn’t prove we were teaching. They found us on the roof and weren’t teaching there, either. And almost all kids I know, except my own and my nieces and nephews, call me Teacher Peter, so that hardly proves anything.

So really it’s just a case of us getting cornered and then admitting what we had done. They asked, we gave them an honest answer, and things went down as they did.

[quote=“Hamletintaiwan”]
Because a JFRV holder has open work rights. He/she can do any work a Taiwanese could do. Getting up early in the morning and doing a normal job is not such a big criminal offense as to justify deportation.
Actually, I guess, it’s a civil misdemeanor at most.
ARC holders are in violation of their visas.[/quote]

Yep, right on the mark. Civil misdemeanor.

[quote=“Tempo Gain”][quote=“pumpkinslayer”]

Teaching at kindergarten is, as I understand it, actually not allowed at all, even by locals.

For the APRC and JFRV holders, I’m not sure what the actual infraction is, except possibly for breaking the rules of the ministry of education or labor department. But I’m guessing.[/quote]

I have yet to see convincing evidence of this. I’ll be interested to hear if any consequences befall those involved here.[/quote]

Well, this all went down in March/April (thereabouts), 2013 AFAIR, so if I doubt there will be any more consequences than those already described here.

I (the JFRV holder) and the APRC holder are still here, and we’ve had no further contact from the authorities about these events. The ARC holder has been deported.

PS. This is a first hand story so the details haven’t been tainted too much.

Right, thanks!

Excuse me for being totally naive, but if teaching English to kindergarten kids is illegal for foreigners AND local teachers, then how are a large cram school chain like Hess able to run a chain of English Kindergartens?

They openly advertise that they teach English to youngsters on their English and Chinese websites; they even have videos! Can someone explain how this is possible if it’s against the law?! I’m sure this has been covered before, but I just don’t get it…

hess.com.tw/careers/english/teaching/
hess.com.tw/events/candid_kindy/index.shtml
hess.com.tw/tw/education/kin … es/loveit/