Challenging the U.S. Chamber of Commerce

Not that I’m fixed either way on this, but it appears interesting to consider.

If enough Americans do end up supporting this, WILL it help change a tide of crony corporatism saturating our government through influences of greed, power, fear and corruption? Since such elements appear to be the motivating factors, I would presume yes it could help.

[quote]The Chamber of Commerce, under the leadership of Tom Donahue, has gone from a well respected trade organization to an extremist political organization dedicated to corrupting American democracy by elevating the profits of big corporations over the well being of the citizens they serve. The most recent example of this corrupt behavior is the Chamber’s announcement that it is spending more than $100 million to defeat initiatives to protect the environment and provide affordable health care to everyone.

The Chamber is the biggest lobbying operation in the United States, spending billions of dollars on behalf of big business over the past decade to corrupt the political system. Polluters like Big Coal, Big Asbestos, and Big Oil only need call the Chamber to stop any accountability for their toxic destruction.

Tom Donahue has turned the once respected and even-handed Chamber into an extremist organization, bragging that the Chamber gutted the Clinton tobacco settlement, killed the Clinton health care plan, and scuttled previous oversight of Wall Street and the banking system.

Not only is the Chamber lobbying and advertising against the interests of Americans, it is also committing fraud and violating campaign finance laws by creating fake astroturfing front groups,

…Therefore, we demand the following:

[ul][li]Fire Tom Donohue.[/li]
[li]Drop Corporate Support for the Chamber.[/li]
[li]Launch A Criminal Investigation Against The Chamber For Fraud, False Tax Filings [/li][li]And Campaign Finance Violations.[/li]
[li]Ask Congress To Investigate The Chamber.[/li]
[li]Reorganize The Chamber.[/li]
[li]Speak Out Against The Chamber.[/li][/ul]

velvetrevolution.us[/quote]The movement states: Velvet Revolution is a term coined to describe the peaceful road to change in countries where governments ignored the inalienable rights of the people. A few inspiring Velvet Revolutions occurred in the former Soviet Union, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, South Africa, and of course, most recently in Ukraine. The citizens of those countries, tired of corruption and arrogant power, joined together by the millions in a sustained campaign of opposition - they demonstrated, boycotted, petitioned, and engaged in strikes until the pillars of power were replaced by the halls of the people. (source)

President Obama weighed in on the topic.[quote]'Big financial firms and their lobbyists" are “using every bit of influence they have to maintain a status quo that has maximized their profits at the expense of American consumers,” Obama said. “In fact, over the last 10 years, the Chamber of Commerce alone spent nearly half a billion dollars on lobbying - half a billion dollars.”
Source[/quote]
Here’s a stinging opinion in the Washington Post.[quote]In the past few weeks, a number of big-name companies – including Apple, Nike and PG&E – have resigned from the Chamber or its various boards and committees over its continued opposition to doing anything about global warming. … But in the process, the controversy managed to expose three embarrassing truths about the Chamber.

The first truth is that the Chamber, in fact, does not represent anything close to the 3 million businesses it has always claimed.

the second dirty little secret that was revealed by the defections is how undemocratic the Chamber has become.

What we’ve also learned this week is how disingenuous the Chamber has become in its Washington lobbying. … And rather than focus on working constructively to improve legislation, the Chamber’s default strategy is to try to kill it outright through exaggeration, misrepresentation and outright lies.

Source: Defections Expose Chamber’s Dirty Little Secrets[/quote]
Any comments?

Interesting attempt at integrating into the forum community. Let me know if you can remake yourself.

Fred, it’s ironic that even though I support Obama, I find myself agreeing with you more and more.

Couldn’t you set up another one, then companies can choose which one to join, after considering the views of customers and shareholders? :idunno: prolly not.

Set up another what? Another chance for Scholl to correct his ways and rejoin our community unstigmatized by stupidity? I doubt it.

I’m just waiting for j.scholl’s link to the 911 conspiracy or alien abductions to appear.

There’s a Black Chamber of Commerce. Some companies have recently left the Chamber because of their anti-environmental stances.

There’s a Black Chamber of Commerce. Some companies have recently left the Chamber because of their anti-environmental stances.[/quote]

Is it connected to the Church of Satan?

From wiki…

It’s like the commie ideal of workers of the world unite, except for business tycoons.

Ironic, really.

Scott Summers:

I think that the reason for your agreeing with me has disappeared, however, I would like to point out that I, too, support Obama. I am very pleased that he has been taking on a number of great challenges so successfully.

[quote=“fred smith”]Scott Summers:

I think that the reason for your agreeing with me has disappeared, however, I would like to point out that I, too, support Obama. I am very pleased that he has been taking on a number of great challenges so successfully.[/quote]

I was about to remark on how you seem to have dropped the neo from conservative and become almost obsequiously nice in your posting; a manner which had hitherto been absent from your previous fascist online persona. So with this spirit of change in mind, may I be so bold as to ask what examples you are prepared to offer that illustrate Obama’s success in taking on great challenges.

BroonAsks

[quote=“bob”]From wiki…

It’s like the commie ideal of workers of the world unite, except for business tycoons.

Ironic, really.[/quote]

That’s like saying there’s a global conspiracy of business tycoons. Of course nothing could be further from the truth.

I think that Obama has successfully dealt with the financial and economic meltdown. Those who criticize his large deficits forget that Bush (who I also supported strongly) started the economic and financial stimulus package. I believe that it was needed and therefore I am not going to blast anyone who has temporarily increased the deficit. I am concerned, however,that we need to kep that under control.

Second, the missile defense infrastructure in Poland and the Czech Republic was hampering our relations with Russia to a great degree. I do not understand the Russian intransigence on this but then… I am often confused by official Russian actions. Obama realized that there was no need to install these and exacerbate already bad relations with Russia when the military has proposed a more mobile and thus even more successful missile defense program. Kudos for moving ahead with that.

Third, Obama has kept the negotiations with Iran where they need to be: in a highly public and international setting. Bush realized that there was little that the US could do about Iran or even a North Korea for that matter. What we are going to have to examine is the possibility of other options… sanctions? containment? defense treaties with neighboring nations?

to be continued…

Fourth, Obama has moved with much greater force to target Taliban and al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan and he has successfully motivated the Pakistani government to go after these forces. Bush and his team were never able to do this. Also, Obama has successfully shifted the working relationship to one with a democratically elected government as opposed to the previous military regime.

Fifth, Guantanamo had given the US a black eye. Obama has made moves to close this while ensuring that these individuals are not left to return to fight us again. This is still a work in progress but overall the effort has been positive. That said, Obama has not gutted our defense, intelligence or counterterrorism capabilities. This is a touchy subject. But I think that much of the needed surveillance and analysis has continued while the more controversial aspects (which Bush had abandoned in his second term) have been repackaged under new leadership so that we have to a large extent put the overreaction following 911 behind us. Now, I am not blaming those who “overreacted” back then as there was a great fear of what was yet to come…Apologies my computer screen jumps so I have to do a new message after this…

Sixth, Obama is attempting to tackle health care reform. Along with social security reform (which Bush attempted to deal with albeit unsuccessfully), health care reform has been a long-needed effort but no one had the guts to take it on. While this is not a done deal, at least Obama had the courage to say… look we need to address this. We cannot continue to kick the can down the road for subsequent administrations to deal with. Right?

Seventh, say what you will, the man has done the US a huge favor by restoring our image around the world. He is an absolute public relations coup. Approval of the US is again at very high levels. This would not have happened had say McCain won.

Eighth, we are relooking at efforts in Afghanistan. The deal is not yet done here either but… at least a serious strategy to deal with a problem that has been festering without attention for a while is now moving ahead. We do not know what the final decision will be but at least it is getting a serious look, no? And I think that the administration understands that what worked in Iraq may not be appropriate for Afghanistan. And it is pushing Karzai on reform and the election shenanigans.

Ninth, I think that the Obama administration has successfully balanced the approach to dealing with climate change. We can move a bit ahead on this without destroying our economy and encouraging industry to move toward adopting greener methods. While many environmentalists may be disappointed with his more conservative approach… I think that it is the best way to keep the economy humming while creating jobs and ensuring that we keep a lid on CO2 emissions. The Bush administration was perhaps too dismissive of concerns when a bit of diplomacy might have gotten the US what it needed to keep the economy moving while not alienating publics abroad.

So, overall, I have seen no weakening on the major fronts: Afghanistan or Iraq and an even stronger effort in Pakistan. I have seen no mismanagement of the economy but rather some very sensible policies put in place. I do not know what will happen with regard to health care reform but at least he is trying to do something about tackling that. When I have a better idea of what emerges and actually have a clue about what that will mean, then maybe I will have a stronger opinion. As to obsequiousness, bah! with Obama we do not have the same deranged posters blasting America for every imagined ill under the sun. There is, therefore, no need to dole out the contempt and scorn to the same degree but I would be happy to save some for you just in case…

Point 7 is very true. Without international respect the US would have ceased to function internationally.

Thank you Fred. Going to school has mellowed you considerably. Not as much fun as when you were talking out of your arse but clearly a change for the better, politically-speaking. I may at some point agree with you. Maybe.

BroonAgreeable

One final challenge Broon Ale… Is it that I have become so much more reasonable or is it that those posting nonsense encompassing every paranoid conspiracy theory have melted away? I think that my positions have remained remarkably consistent. But where are those suggesting that the US is to blame for every major wrong in the world? while defending most laughably actors like Cuba, Venezuela, the Taliban, al Qaeda, Saddam and the mullahs while not recognizing the contemptible stance that it engendered?

fredsmith, you always inform and educate this little simplepolitika. Velly interestink on Obama. And yes, you are definitely sounding a lot less mad, recently.

Oh all right then…you and the US are responsible for every major wrong in the world. Better?

BroonAnti