China Breaches Taiwan Air defense

Alright, I start to worry about a potential invasion by the Chinese. This all could be also mind games but it would be pointless if they weren’t actually planing on eventually taking the control of the island.

I would start to work with some people in a campaign of outreaching politicians and international organisations, and I would need some guidance and of course cooperation. I know that we are mostly powerless but I’m sure we can raise awareness about this situation, and hopefully some people will publicly side by us, which is definitely important.

It’s sad to read some idiots in my country talking of Taiwan as a part of China only because they are retarded leftists and they see all of this as a China VS USA thing. I’ve seen people (unintentionally) promoting what is basically uninformed Chinese propaganda in the media, and again it comes from the Western/white/Eurocentrism guilt that the retarded left promotes. (As a side note, when will I finally have a left option for vote for that makes sense and is not an insult to my intelligence, and in general an insult to me? When can I finally vote left?).

As I said, maybe we should create a discussion group for coordinating actions and communications to raise awareness and ask our countries to side by their citizens and speak out clearly.

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The premise is that they should identify themselves, IF they intend to enter your airspace.

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A good case can be made for this, or for the PRC if it is treated as the ROCs successor state. I was surprised to learn how weak the Japanese claim on those islands is

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The Japanese are the only country to have any reasonable claim to them. They are the only ones to have had people living in them. There was a fish processing plant on them for many years last century. They were owned by a Japanese family until sold to Osaka city a few years ago. What more do you need?

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The talk I went to focused on the inclusion of the islands in a geographical treatise on Taiwan published by the japanese hydrological survey, some government agency, before the first sino Japanese war. With the treaty of shimonoseki 馬關條約 (unsure of the japanese spelling), sovereignty over taiwan was transferred to japan. Subsequently, and with reference to this treaty, the same japanese agency moved the islands to the japanese geographical treatise in explicit reference to the treaty of shimonoseki. With the annulment of that treaty in 1945 and the handover of taiwan to the ROC, the islands should have gone with it, since the japanese publically through these publications had stated that they were taiwanese and only japanese because of the treaty of shimonoseki. Apparently the japanese claim rests on a secret document of some ministry in the meiji government that predates the sino japanese war w a few years, in which they say that a japanese vessel had landed on the island and that they claimed this virgin territory as japanese. But that document was not public and at odds with the publications I mentioned. Anyway it surprised me that such a case could be made on the basis of international law

The Japanese had claimed the Senkakus independent of the Treaty of Shimoneseki. They went about it using international laws apart from Taiwan occupation from 1895 until the end of WWII. “Japan incorporated the islands into its sovereign territory using procedures in accordance with international law, prior to the conclusion of the Treaty of Shimonoseki” You can find several references to this, including the line that I quoted from this one. There is a pretty good attempt at getting the claims of all interested parties on the table here.

My pet peeve is when a country maintains that Taiwan/ROC doesn’t exist and has no diplomatic or trade office here, but at the same time refuses services at the Beijing embassy, because they say that you are in a state, that they also say doesn’t exist.

I am simulating concern.

I suspect that in my lifetime the CCP is going to simulate itself right into the afterlife.

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Here if you want to read it:

Summary

Days after Joe Biden’s inauguration, 15 Chinese warplanes flew sorties off the coast of Taiwan, crossing the midpoint of the 80-mile strait that separates the island from the Asian mainland. It was the biggest show of strength from Beijing over Taiwan in several months, a timely reminder that China still considers the democracy and its 24m people part of its territory.

Taiwan has long been a source of political tensions between China and the West. But in recent years it has become a source of economic and cybersecurity fears too.

The island has become the world’s microchip factory, the biggest single producer of the semiconductors that sit in iPhones, cars and telecoms networks. Its chip foundries – known as “fabs” – are the world’s most advanced, with manufacturers in the West struggling to keep up. As the US and China have been locked in an escalating technology war, the future of the island is an increasing concern.

“What happens if the Chinese should, inadvertently or on purpose, become engaged in a military conflict in Taiwan?” says Paul Triolo of the Eurasia Group. “You’re talking about the potential to disrupt massively that global supply chain for leading electronic companies.”

Little more than three decades ago, the US and Europe dominated semiconductor production, accounting for around three-quarters of manufacturing, against roughly a quarter in Asia. Even the UK had a strong manufacturing base. Today, that ratio has flipped. Taiwan, followed by Korea, China and Japan in that order, all outstrip the US, with Europe retaining a handful of specialised fabs.

The figurehead of that movement has been Morris Chang, a Chinese-born son of a government official who moved to the US to study in 1949, the same year Mao Tse-tung established the People’s Republic of China. After a career at Texas Instruments, one of the companies that built America’s semiconductor industry, Chang missed out on the chief executive job in 1983.

The Taiwanese government, about to emerge from decades of martial law and desperately seeking to modernise its economy, enlisted Chang and in 1987 public money helped set up Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp, known today simply as TSMC.

The brainwave that Chang built the company on was that as microchips became smaller and more complicated to make, companies would look to outsource their production. Computer processors, the brains of electronics, are prohibitively capital intensive to manufacture, requiring machines that can each cost tens of millions of dollars. The silicon transistors that make up chips have become impossibly small. The factories required to make them now cost billions to build.

“Morris Chang saw that opportunity,” says Nathan Brookwood, a veteran industry analyst at Silicon Valley consultancy Insight 64. “Things have played out in a way that has helped him tremendously. Back in the Eighties, you could put together a factory for maybe $25m or $50m. Today, factories are costing $5bn (£3.6bn).”

In Britain, however, any ambitions to manufacture silicon have been small compared to those pursued in Taiwan. While Britain has enjoyed success with semiconductor design companies, such as Arm in the 2000s and Graphcore more recently, there are few businesses working on the process of building chips using lasers and chemicals in foundries.

Arm, the UK’s biggest chip success, makes the blueprints for semiconductors, and does not manufacture them itself. The biggest players are in South Wales, with IQE, which builds chips at its factory in Cardiff, and Newport Wafer Fab, which was founded in 2017.

Slowly the Government has recognised Britain is lagging behind. A £44m state investment in Wales’s silicon industry has given prospects a small boost, with hopes the cluster could ultimately employ 3,000 people, while Newport Wafer Fab is hoping to raise another £50m from investors this year to expand its operations, though it will remain dwarfed by TSMC.

Progress in chip manufacturing is measured in nanometres, the size of a chip’s transistors. At the end of the Nineties, 94 companies were capable of making the cutting edge 180nm chips, such as those in the 2000s’ PlayStation 2; 24 of those were American, just nine were Taiwanese.

The processors in today’s latest iPhones two decades later use 5nm chips. Only two manufacturers – TSMC and Korea’s Samsung – have mastered production. Intel, the last remaining major US-based manufacturer, is still struggling with the previous generation, even as TSMC moves ahead with 3nm.

Chang stepped down as chief executive in 2018, at the age of 86. To date, the rise of the company has been seen as a boon for the electronics industry, rather than a problem. Companies such as Arm, the British microchip design company, have been built on companies like Apple using its architecture and paying TSMC to build bespoke chips.

Taiwan became a convenient part of the global supply chain. Processors could be designed in the West, built by TSMC, and shipped to Shenzhen, where gadgets were assembled. The trade war between Donald Trump’s America and an increasingly confident China, however, has changed that balance.

“The political tensions and the intelligence tensions, it makes us take a second look at Taiwan, and its relationship to China, its nearness to China,” says James Lewis, a former US state department negotiator at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

“What if China wakes up in a bad mood one day and decides to simply try to seize Taiwan?”

US concerns about Taiwan, says Lewis, are not only that the West relies on it as the world’s chip factory, but that China does too. The Trump administration used American leadership in parts of chip design and production to choke Chinese companies, particularly Huawei, as part of an effort to reduce their influence abroad and to demonstrate power in trade talks.

Triolo says Taiwan has effectively been put in the middle of the “blue” and “red” supply chains of the US and China. “They would prefer not to have its companies forced to choose between the US and China. There’s a huge market in China for them.”

For now, the blue chain appears to be winning. TSMC has been forced to stop supplying Huawei, since it uses American equipment, and the Chinese company has been cut off from high-end chips. Many fear, however, that the Trump administration overplayed its hand. The less access China has to Taiwan’s chips, made with American equipment, the more incentive it has to build a home-grown alternative, a project it is pursuing with gusto.

China’s own manufacturing potential is expected to climb from 15pc of global capacity to 24pc at the end of the decade. Last week, SEMI, an industry group, wrote to the Biden administration warning that continued export controls against Chinese companies would undermine US manufacturers and incentivise foreign competitors.

Concerns are also growing about Chinese espionage in Taiwanese factories, or, in an extreme case, that Beijing may simply seize two TSMC factories that exist in China.

The US and China’s reliance on Taiwanese chips may be uneasy, but it is also stabilising. In the same way the nuclear arms race and the Cold War theory of mutually assured destruction protected both the US and the Soviet Union, mutually assured dependence on TSMC has meant neither side being willing to harm the other.

“It’s a potential point of tension, but on the other hand, there is such dependence that you have to be very careful,” says Triolo.

That interdependence may now be fraying. The US, as well as China, is trying to ease its reliance on the island nation. Last year, TSMC announced plans to build a $12bn fab in Arizona, a move believed to come with heavy subsidies. A recently passed national defence bill allows billions in incentives for US chip production, although where the money comes from is yet to be decided.

China is yet further behind, but has shown no signs of giving up. “They are making massive investments in semiconductor manufacturing on the mainland, says Brookwood. “It’s just a matter of time.”

Taiwan’s chip prowess has put it in the middle of an uneasy stalemate between the world’s superpowers. That may not last.

I had a quick look at this. Some may find this interesting:

Beijing will accelerate its military preparedness for Taiwan Strait scenarios , with a view to achieving absolute military supremacy over Taiwan and the United States out to the second island chain by decade’s end. The objective would be to cause the United States to choose not to go to war in support of Taiwan out of fear that it may well lose. This would then leave Taiwan with little option other than to comply politically with Beijing’s reunification formula.