Chinese in Taiwan, how to explain democracy to them? should we? should the Taiwanese?

Only to EU members and select former Spanish colonies.

Democracy does not mean just letting people you like vote. All eligible citizens (and in some cases residents) should have this right.

Guy

OK, then don’t bother

When I studied my Master’s here one of our good friends in our group was an exchange student from China. By the end of her year in Taiwan she had become very pro Taiwan and democracy. Mostly just through being here, hanging out with nice Taiwanese friends and making her own conclusions about things.

I don’t think a foreigner forcing his ideas down her throat in broken Chinese would have aided her decision making.

I’ve never done that.

Just for your information here, because it seems many of you have only nice open minded eager to learn chinese friends.
It is not always like that. Of course that kind of people need no extra help, they are curious and learn by themselves.

When I was in China last time, it was after I was living there, just visiting friends. I was making a video in a street and a woman approached me and without a word took my arm and pushed it down and said to me I couldn’t make videos or photos just where I wanted, just like that. She was no police, just a random old lady. Then she took her cellphone and began to record me and ask questions. It was really unpleasant.

Later on that travel I was in a public square with my friends (all Chinese) and a man came to me, say hello and began to scream “China is number 1”. He thought I was american. I said I am not. And he calmed down a little bit, but still asked me to check if my boxing was better than his kung-fu. Later he tried to make a drinking beer competition with me, he opened two beers using his teeth, gave me one and said, let’s drink, he drank the whole bottle at once. Without my friends at my side, I really don’t know what would have happened that day.

I am glad you all have nice open minded chinese friend as I do. But what to do with the ones who are not so open minded? I know there are many levels between our friends and the man who opened the beer bottle with his teeth and wanted to show his kung-fu using my body.

That was the worry I wanted to share here. Just to avoid them doesn’t seem to help anyone.
Also, there is no chance to “push something down the throat”, it’s useless, I have never done that.
But I still think there has to be a way to make people who are not like our friends a little bit more like our friends. Anyway, thanks for the comments. I will keep thinking about it by myself.

There is a citizenship test for Canadian citiens. Because uf Covid, some applicants can skip the test and go straight to an interview.

The American citzenship test require 100 questions on American government ansd culture culture

UK- You might need to prove your knowledge of the English language if you’re 18 or over and applying for citizenship or to settle in the UK (known as ‘indefinite leave to remain’).

You can prove it by having either:

You do not need to prove your knowledge of English in certain circumstances.

Australia- you have to have a test under 60.

If you are looking for crazies you’re going to find them.

Unfortunately as a foreigner you do get more. I have a couple of similar stories.

Instead of using words like “democracy”, try Consent of the governed, and “check-and-balance.”

Instead of talking about “ownership” of private property, how about asking “who has the ultimate control over such property?” A good test to see if one has control over one’s own property is whether one can sell it to anyone anytime and move the proceed anywhere.

Also mention that any individual investment and purchasing decision is only protected if there is “ free flow of information” based on which one can exercise one’s best judgment. Without free flow of information, it’s a fake market economy.

Also, ask whether he/she knows that in china all capitals are essentially party-owned? The entire baking sector in China, including a few minor “private banks” are actually state-owned, and the state is actually party-owned.

Talking to the average Chinese about these things is not easy.

inaccurate analogy

Finally this man will apparently be released.

Guy

Finally!

Guy

I’m surprised they didn’t off him.

At least with the detained Michaels, Beijing got their Huawei princess back. I’m not sure what led to Lee Ming-che’s release.

Guy

Following his years of detention in China, human rights activist Lee Ming-che—now thankfully back in Taiwan—speaks.

Guy

Lee Ming-che interviewed by the Guardian. It’s very moving.

We see yet again the benefits of having international journalists again in Taiwan. This story simply would not have happened if Helen Davidson was posted in Beijing.

Guy

Read about the Inland China Mission. Chinese delight in torturing missionaries, people preaching

We are foreigner scum, to Asians. We must at least pretend to know our place and be humble.

That was quite the jump!

I don’t think the PRC’s hostile approach—in this case to a Han Taiwanese—really merits a jump to the continental scale your proposing. :person_shrugging:

Guy

It’s a truism for all time, not dependent on PRC treatment of Lee.

I was in the Beijing university bookstore (their Harvard) in children section and came across a statement “all westerners are savages”.

西方人都是野蠻

2 weeks later I’m in a Taipei childrens bookstore and read same sentence

That’s what they teach kids.

What’s the name of the book?