Wait, you’re kidding me. China exports Christmas lights to the U.S. and other countries?! Holy crap. Someone in the media should be talking about stuff like this.
Yes except for the fact that China uses arrested Christians and Catholics to make these lightbulbs in inhumane conditions. They work till their fingers bleed and if they don’t meet a quota they are beaten to death. A really sick kind of humor.
Yes except for the fact that China uses arrested Christians and Catholics to make these lightbulbs in inhumane conditions. They work till their fingers bleed and if they don’t meet a quota they are beaten to death. A really sick kind of humor.[/quote]
…are you serious?
Yes except for the fact that China uses arrested Christians and Catholics to make these lightbulbs in inhumane conditions. They work till their fingers bleed and if they don’t meet a quota they are beaten to death. A really sick kind of humor.[/quote]
…are you serious?[/quote]
Yes I am serious. There are a few documentaries, and more than a handful of testaments that the PRC arrests Christians, put them in camps or prisons, and make them put in those tiny little lightbulbs in the plastic connectors. Any talking or resting is forbidden. They must keep up a pace or risk getting beaten on the spot. Each prisoner does this for 16 or more hours a day nonstop or until their fingers bleed.
You forgot to mention that they have to work naked and have their pictures distributed on the internet.
Yes except for the fact that China uses arrested Christians and Catholics to make these lightbulbs in inhumane conditions. They work till their fingers bleed and if they don’t meet a quota they are beaten to death. A really sick kind of humor.[/quote]
…are you serious?[/quote]
Yes, China also arrests muslims to work in pig farms and gays to make condoms. emm, what else. Oh yeah. They work till their fingers bleed and if they don’t meet a quota they are beaten to death.
:fume: Yeah, you making jokes out of your own people’s suffering, it does make you sound horribly cruel. I wonder if you crack jokes about the 40 million Chinese deaths from the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution? Who knows? You may have gleefully participated in all this. Some here are probably card carrying CCP members anyway.
Anyway with so many detailed testimonies and accounts, you cannot deny that the LaoGai, Chinese gulags, having tortured prisons making Christmas Lights among other religious items doesn’t exist on a wide scale. And please don’t compare this to Guantanamo, the scale is not comparable.
Sources and articles that touch upon the subject:
(I’m sure you might try to dismiss a small handful of these articles by saying their from religious sources, well many others are from human rights groups so take it seriously. Testaments are from your countrymen)
bbs.people.com.cn/bbs/ReadFile?w … &typeid=15
wcl.american.edu/pub/humrigh … laogai.htm
rescuecharles.org/en/index.php
worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=42771
chinaaid.org/english/press_releases/1.htm
christiansincrisis.net/news/02170502.html
www.willthomas.net/Convergence/Weekly/China.htm
www.nationalreview.com/comment/shea200512190809.asp
www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jun2001/mine-j20.shtml
www.boycottmadeinchina.org/en/why_boyco … t_reasons/
www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=1268 … id=freedom
www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/55/322.html
nationalreview.com/comment/n … 110926.asp
www.uschina.org/public/wto/dissidents.html
worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=22637
cbc.ca/sunday/feedback_nov20_05.html
northonline.sccd.ctc.edu/jwu/pat … Pylman.htm
e4god.com/free-blogs/RadioFr … /index.php
tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000318.html
cicus.org/news/special.php?s … =1&setid=0
www.chinasupport.net/site.php?page=buzz12180501
cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/ … 3457.shtml
washingtontimes.com/national … _page2.htm
crosswalk.com/faith/1301522.html
www.dubcentral.co.uk/torture.asp
commdocs.house.gov/committees/in … 0500_0.HTM
www.westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2 … oppin.html
www.freedomhouse.org/religion/news/bn19 … -11-30.htm
www.sierratimes.com/05/09/14/71_11_137_227_63944.htm
www.e4god.com/free-blogs/RadioFreeChina … hp?paged=1
www.house.gov/pence/rsc/doc/LB_121405_suspensions.pdf
hammeroftruth.com/2005/page/2/
www.kfi640.com/Wal-Mart.html
projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/109/bills/
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … i_56899761
www.christianpost.com/article/missions/ … cret/1.htm
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/802573/posts
www.japantoday.com/e/?content=quote&id=1439
www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/cat_asian_affairs.html
Half of these things are about laogai (for convicts) and just laogai, a batch from our babbling friends the Falun Gong and Harry Wu – always the reliable (lol) sources, another batch just on religious “intolerance” in general (note: prosetylizing is illegal in China), and just a bunch on one woman’s testimony – a single case that had both Christian and laogai in the article – I don’t think it mentioned Christmas lights.
Now let’s see what ShrimpCrackers wrote earlier
I think you are full of shit.
You mean when their fingers bleed they get to stop? That’s actually pretty thoughtful of them, if you ask me. I read in this place one time that the guards also get the women pregnant and then eat the babies when they’re born. That’s really horrid.
[quote=“zeugmite”]
I think you are full of shit.[/quote]
He’s only half full of shit. He has just described the kind of working conditions that can be found in a lot of factories in the PRC, not just places where prisoners might work. And so what? How is this much different from any other 3rd world country that’s trying to claw its way out of grinding poverty? The CCP is not forcing people into such working conditions. Mainlanders do this kind of work because it’s the best they can do. Most of the factories where one might find these sort of conditions are operated by private businesses-mostly HK and Taiwanese manufacturing companies, not the government.
[quote=“Jive Turkey”][quote=“zeugmite”]
I think you are full of shit.[/quote]
He’s only half full of shit. He has just described the kind of working conditions that can be found in a lot of factories in the PRC, not just places where prisoners might work. And so what? How is this much different from any other 3rd world country that’s trying to claw its way out of grinding poverty? The CCP is not forcing people into such working conditions. Mainlanders do this kind of work because it’s the best they can do. Most of the factories where one might find these sort of conditions are operated by private businesses-mostly HK and Taiwanese manufacturing companies, not the government.[/quote]
“The CCP is not forcing people into such working conditions.”
Yes they are, if you were reading the sources, these are religious prisoners or human rights dissidents, so they didn’t have much of a choice, being literally under the gun. Yes one can argue the inhumane conditions were optional on the basis that they shouldn’t have chosen to become religious or have chosen to fight for the very rights outlined in the United Nations Charter. But then again the PRC constitution does allow freedom of religion, although everyone should know by now that they don’t act on that.
ZEUGMITE:
Please read the sources carefully, about 80% mention Christmas lights. Others mention religious artifacts and only about 5% talk only about the LaoGai in general with an absense of the former.
I don’t understand why you dismiss any accounts from Christians or Falun Gong. In fact, if this is your basis, then on what other basis else do you ‘scientifically’ dismiss accounts? Race? Height? Hair Color? Ethnicity?
Gee I’m kinda afraid to ask what you feel about Jews and Nazi’s.
In fact I mostly listed Christians in anticipation that you’d insist the Falun Gong were unreliable due to religious identity.
Sheesh.
Because FLG are a bunch of crazy people who aggenda is to bash the PRC at any opportunity. Look up a forumosa poster Liz and you’ll see some pretty unbalance reporting going on.
Given Christian groups history in China and the number of questionable underground churches, I think you’ll find their reporting to be somewhat unbalanced as well. Especially evangelical Churches.
So all the finger bleeding or death for missing quota stuff sounds like jokes to you too, eh?
See, brethren ( don’t jump up, just joking, no one sees you as Chinese if you don’t want to be one) I do not mean to deny human right violations in China( why would I anyways?). Bad as the situation is, there is no point of making it sound worse than it actually is.
The vast majority of this stuff is totally discredited. There are plenty of Western news sources that report out of China; it’s pretty ridiculous to instead focus in on the reports of organizations with a political axe to grind with Beijing. If you don’t have a hard time buying that the Chinese-language media in Taiwan is “biased”… well, the sources you’re quoting aren’t even pretending to be objective “media”. They’re basically press releases, unsubstantiated, unproven, and unvalidated.
Tell you what. Every time you reference one of their claims, I’ll post a KMT-party white paper on Chen Shui-bian. Just to keep it fair.
Chinese propaganda is the same as Nazi propaganda!
"And nothing makes me madder than someone calling German troops occupiers rather than liberators.
Tell that to the Czechs, Poles, Frenchmen, and Belgians who have been freed because Adolph Hitler led an army of liberators, not occupiers."
Joseph Gobbels said that during WW2. Today Chinese fascist dictators are doing the same thing. Jut replace “German” with “Chinese” and “Czechs, Poles, Frenchmen, and Belgians” with “Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians and Taiwanese” and replace Adolph hitler with MAO ZEDONG or HU JINTAO and you’ll get the idea!!!
We are right, they are wrong. How simple can it be??!?!?!?!?!!
FREE TIBET&LONG LIVE THE DALAI LAMA! FREE TURKESTAN! FREE TAIWAN! PEACE OUT!!!
Hey, greenbetelmonkey, I think you missed a few pieces. Japanoid TI/er LTH proposed breaking China into seven (7) pieces. You are short by a few.
You know, I never understood why those exiled Tibetans don’t demand Arunachal Pradesh from India. That was the southern (and the only non-desolate) part of the so-called “Greater Tibet” that all the exiles ostensibly want back, and it was just taken by India in 1951, decades after (according to exiled Tibetan propaganda) Tibet was fully “independent.” Kicked out the Tibetan administration there. Just like that. No “17 Point Agreements,” no autonomous regions, nothing.* Nobody makes a peep about it any more.
So … PRC’s kind of a bitch about this separatism thing, but hey, India’s friendly. (Oh yeah!) India’s democratic. (Woo woo!) Respects human rights. (In the house!) So why not kickstart your independence movement there? Let me know if you fare better than Kashmiris.
Oh yeah, might want to start acting before getting outnumbered by the flood of Indians – whoops – too late.
- Well, there was the very questionable and unenforced Simla Agreement from long before.
I wouldn’t assume the guy in question is exiled Tibetan. My bet is on suburban white kid who prefers to worry about issues thousands of miles away from home. I see in your other thread you guessed TI activists. I’m sticking with my original guess.
As it happens, I know many Tibetans… of the Tibetan-Chinese variety. I’m sponsoring 15 Tibetan girls through middle school and high school, and we exchange letters every year. (They’re a lot more punctual about it than I am.)
Good for you, cctang. Many people are poor in China. They all need our help.
This reminds me… correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Taiwan still have a Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs office? I remember getting some souvenir from them way back when. Thanks to TI, I will own a piece of ROC antique.
Thank ya zeugmite.
I’m of the opinion that Beijing, if it’s going to live up to its socialist roots, has a deep and solemn responsibility to provide for the poor. I don’t accept that China should become a nation where private “charities” should have to fill in the gap… I expect the government to tax me, and then spend that money on the needy. But for now, during this time of dramatic expansion (when the PRC effectively charges no income tax and has more revenue than it knows how to spend wisely), I consider it my responsibility to donate directly to those who need the help.
The 11th 5-year plan calls for free universal education for all. I hope this is implemented, but I recognize it will take many years before it trickles down to the very corners.