Climate Change - Impacts, Part I

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Thanks to the prompting of someone in another thread, I looked this up:

China endures worst heat wave in 140 years

[quote]SHANGHAI (AP) - It’s been so hot in China that folks are grilling shrimp on manhole covers, eggs are hatching without incubators and a highway billboard has mysteriously caught fire by itself.

The heat wave – the worst in at least 140 years in some parts – has left dozens of people dead and pushed thermometers above 104 degrees F in at least 40 cities and counties, mostly in the south and east. Authorities for the first time have declared the heat a “level 2” weather emergency – a label normally invoked for typhoons and flooding.

“It is just hot! Like in a food steamer!” 17-year-old student Xu Sichen said outside the doors of a shopping mall in the southern financial hub of Shanghai while her friend He Jiali, also 17, complained that her mobile phone had in recent days turned into a “grenade.”[/quote]

Apparently the conservative spin-blogs are claiming this isn’t a big deal because there was a heat wave in 1934, or something.

In other heat wave news:

Salt Lake City breaks record at 105 degrees

[quote]For the second day in a row, temperatures blasted through record highs, soaring to 105 degrees in Salt Lake City. That breaks a record of 104 set in 1979 and continues Friday’s record high for the month of June. Utah is in the middle of a record-breaking heat wave with no cool weather relief in sight. Medics tended to a few patients with heat exhaustion at Vans Warped Tour, where revelers cooked while listening to 90 different bands at the Utah State Fairgrounds.

“That’s why you come to a festival: to see a diversity of artists. That, and to die of heat stroke,” joked John Christianson, trumpeter for the band Reel Big Fish. Forecasters predicted more sweltering weather through the weekend, with highs at Salt Lake City International Airport rising to 106 degrees Sunday and 105 degrees Monday.[/quote]

…and…

Hot turns to hellish in New York

[quote]The stifling heat wave in the East stretched New York’s emergency crews, triggered power outage and made for potentially dangerous overnight temperatures – and the worst may be to come.

Temperatures Tuesday hit the mid-90s for another day across the Eastern U.S., and when combined with high humidity it felt a lot more like 100-plus degrees. But the spiking mercury wasn’t limited to the Atlantic coast:
in all, 43 out of 50 states were near record highs.

New York emergency crews were dealing with a 20 percent increase in emergency calls because of the heat, NBCNewYork.com reported.[/quote]

Think this is an appropriate time for Rob Watson’s famous quote:

Climatologists predict climate change deniers will still be too embarrassed to admit they’ve been wrong all this time, and will of course attempt to downplay the importance of this news. Stay tuned for more logical pretzel-twisting.

But but, that means it was like just as hot 140 years ago. The world survived. I mean nothing bad happened to China after 1874, right?

Vay, Vay, Vay, isn’t it your side always saying that short-term records doth not a trend make? There are hot and cold temperatures being broken everywhere worldwide every day. You have to tally them up and compare them to get the picture. For instance, just in the last week in July:

1,122 Record Cold Temps, 173 Record Warm temps.

And during that same week, what was going on in South America?

South America in massive deep freeze

“Unprecedented Cold For South America This Week,” agrees Steven Goddard website.

Now, you may be right after you tally the records, you may have more hot records than cold during this week in early August or even for the whole month. So maybe our records cancel each other out. But even so, you can have your hot temperatures for a week or even month and still be a cold year overall.

This map shows what the temperature anamoly is for this year already. Who knows what China has been like for the whole year. If trends end up showing 2013 to be a cold year overall, you will say so what? – stop looking at the short-term, it’s the long-term trend that counts. And yet you squeal about hot temperature records in one week in summer?

71% Of The US Below Normal Temperature in 2013

Oh, and happy birthday this hot August.

If I apply the Vay logic for birthday, there’s 30 possible birthdays in August, so there’s more than 50% chance Vay’s ubiquitous birthday falls atleast one time (and maybe twice) in August…and September…and October.

jotham, climate change is not just about heat. It’s about climate change which can be in different directions. And while individual records do not mean a trend, when they are part of large unprecedented record breaking over vast area, then they are indicative that something abnormal is happening. The earth continues to experience massive heat waves and droughts over a larger area than ever before. Ever. Never has so much of the earth’s surface been experiencing abnormal weather at the same time. Ever. Does that not strike you as abnormal? Ever? :laughing:

Do we really need another thread on this?
Seems fit for a merge, unless someone can suggest otherwise.

FAIK, the reason why they call it the Weather is because it is not a constant. The sun’s solar activity can increase or decrease, thus setting off temporary hot and cold spots on Earth or a prolonged period of the same. The Sun can dial up its output or dial it down and can set off an Ice Age lasting hundreds or thousands of years or a period of increased heat.

Volcanos can also change the weather substantially over the course of several years. But not like the Sun changing it over hundreds or thousands of years.

Irrespective of what Man does, the Sun is still more the decider of global climate.

Record setting heat will also result in record setting cold elsewhere on Earth. A slight change in prevailing winds or ocean temperatures affect climate thousands of miles away.

In fact they are all interconnected.

What has transpired in the past only lets us know that the same can happen again. There is no set clock where one Ice Age is followed by a warming trend for X years, to be followed by another Ice Age in some sort of cycle.

There is NO cycle, unlike where there appears to be somewhat of a cycle or trend in Earth movements (which are also, by the way, affected by the Moon’s distance to us and the rotation of the Earth itself…which is not a perfect constant either).

We depend on the moods of our Sun where climate and weather on Earth is concerned.

p.s. agree no need for another weather thread.

[quote=“TheGingerMan”]Do we really need another thread on this?
Seems fit for a merge, unless someone can suggest otherwise.[/quote]
Well, it’s such an inane topic and a distraction from what’s important, I would vote to keep this thread just for distracting hot and cold records trivia, and deal with more theory on the other one.

What is causing heat waves or cold waves? Back in spring, the wildfires were due to high pressure in that area due to repositioning of the polar stream. And what causes such repositioning? Many times El Nino and La Nina, which causes flooding in one area and drought in another. Hot records in one area while cold records in another. And what are El Nino and La Nina? Natural variations. That’s all, folks.

What is normal weather anyways? Why is departure from the last 30 years or 100 years considered abnormal and not consider the fuller context of 1000s of years?

Besides, your scientists are retreating into the deep ocean to skulk because surface temperatures have been flat for 17 years, so give up on the record temperature front. They have.

Again, lots of this is not normal. No matter how far back you go. Normal variations can’t account for the extremes we are seeing so often and over so much of the earth’s surface.

Oh, bullshit. “[Citation needed]”.

[quote=“TheGingerMan”]This thread is locked for the time being, until someone can justify why we need two threads on this issue.
Otherwise, a merge.
Other thread is here:[/quote]

That someone is me, obviously. Sorry. I spent a lot of time on my last responses to Jotham in the other thread, and we were having a quasi-intelligent discussion. Frankly arguments with FS are usually pretty silly and end up killing thread space (and usually the thread itself), so I wanted my responses to him to be separated from that discussion.

Also, the other thread was heading away from the issue of global cooling and pretty much became all about ocean heat content. If you’re going to merge the threads, maybe put the discussion with Jotham about OHC in a separate thread?

[quote=“jotham”]Vay, Vay, Vay, isn’t it your side always saying that short-term records doth not a trend make? There are hot and cold temperatures being broken everywhere worldwide every day. You have to tally them up and compare them to get the picture. For instance, just in the last week in July:

Now, you may be right after you tally the records, you may have more hot records than cold during this week in early August or even for the whole month. So maybe our records cancel each other out. But even so, you can have your hot temperatures for a week or even month and still be a cold year overall.

This map shows what the temperature anamoly is for this year already. Who knows what China has been like for the whole year. If trends end up showing 2013 to be a cold year overall, you will say so what? – stop looking at the short-term, it’s the long-term trend that counts. And yet you squeal about hot temperature records in one week in summer?[/quote]

Reference my comments to Fred in the other thread on this point, please.

As for your graphs, these are smoke-screens. 43 of 50 states are having a heat wave - many for the consecutive how many-eth summer? - and you point to this? You aren’t seeing the trees for the forest.

Highest temperatures ever recorded

Temperature Location Date
North America (World record)† 56.7 °C (134 °F) Furnace Creek Ranch (formerly Greenland Ranch), in Death Valley, California, United States 1913-07-10[1][2]
Canada 45.0 °C (113 °F) Midale, Yellow Grass, Saskatchewan 1937-07-05[3]
[color=#FF0000]Greenland 25.3 °C (77.5 °F) Tasiilaq 2005-07-13[4][5][/color]
Mexico 52 °C (125.6 °F) San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora [6][7]
Africa 55.0 °C (131 °F) Kebili, Tunisia 1931-07-07[8][9]
[color=#FF0000]Algeria 50.6 °C (123.1 °F) In Salah, Tamanrasset Province 2002-07-12[8][/color]
Benin 44.5 °C (112 °F) Kandi ?[4]
Botswana 42.6 °C (108.4 °F) Tsabong ?[4]
Burkina Faso 47.2 °C (117 °F) Dori ?[4]
Cameroon 47.7 °C (117.9 °F) Kousseri ?[10]
Central African Republic 45 °C (113 °F) Birao ?[4]
[color=#FF0000]Chad 47.6 °C (117.7 °F) Faya-Largeau 2010-06-22[10][/color]
Côte d’Ivoire 41.5 °C (106.7 °F) Odienne ?[4]
Djibouti 49.5 °C (121 °F) Tadjourah ?[4]
Egypt 50.3 °C (122.6 °F) Kharga ?[4]
Eritrea 48 °C (118.4 °F) Massawa ?[4]
Ethiopia 48.9 °C (120 °F) Dallol ?[4]
[color=#FF0000]The Gambia 45.5 °C (114 °F) Basse Santa Su 2008-?-?[4][/color]
Ghana 43.9 °C (111 °F) Navrongo ?[4]
Guinea-Bissau 43.6 °C (110.5 °F) Bafata ?[4]
[color=#FF0000]Libya 50.2 °C (122.4 °F) Zuara 1995-06[9][11][/color]
Malawi 45 °C (113 °F) Ngabu, Chikwana ?[4]
Mali 48.2 °C (118 °F) Gao ?[4]
Mauritania 50.0 °C (122 °F) Akjujt ?[4]
Morocco 49.6 °C (121.3 °F) Marrakech 2012-07-17[12]
[color=#FF0000]Mozambique 47.3 °C (117.2 °F) Chibuto 2009-02-03[4][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Namibia 47.8 °C (118 °F) Noordoewer 2009-02-06[4][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Niger 48.2 °C (118.8 °F) Bilma 2010-06-23[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Nigeria 46.4 °C (115.5 °F) Yola 2010-04-03[10][/color]
Senegal 48.8 °C (119.8 °F) Matam ?[4]
Sierra Leone 40 °C (104 °F) Njala ?[4]
Somalia 47.8 °C (118 °F) Berbera ?[13]
South Africa 50.0 °C (122 °F) Dunbrody, Eastern Cape 1918[14]
[color=#FF0000]Sudan 49.7 °C (121.5 °F) Dongola 2010-06-25[10][/color]
Swaziland 46.1 °C (115 °F) Sidvokodvo ?[4]
Tanzania 39.4 °C (102.9 °F) Kisauni, Zanzibar ?[13]
[color=#FF0000]Zambia 42.4 °C (108.3 °F) Mfuwe, Eastern Province 2010-10-13[10][/color]
Zimbabwe 45.6 °C (114 °F) Beitbridge ?[4]
[color=#FF0000]Asia 53.6 °C (128.5 °F) Sulaibya, Kuwait 2012-07-31[12][/color]
Bangladesh 45.1 °C (113.2 °F) Rajshahi 1972-04-30[15]
[color=#FF0000]China 49.7 °C (121.5 °F) Ading Lake, Turpan, Xinjiang, China 2008-08-03[10][/color]
India 50.6 °C (123 °F) Alwar, Rajasthan 1956-05-10[16]
[color=#FF0000]Indonesia 39.5 °C (103.1 °F) Jatiwangi, Cirebon, West Java 2006-12-?[4][/color]
Iraq 52.0 °C (125.6 °F) Basra
[color=#FF0000]Ali Air Base, Nasiriyah 2010-06-14[10][/color]
2011-08-02[17][18]
Israel 54 °C (129.2 °F) Tirat Zvi, Israel 1942-06-21 [19][8][20] **
[color=#FF0000]Japan 40.9 °C (105.6 °F) Kumagaya, Saitama / Tajimi, Gifu 2007-08-16[21][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Malaysia 40.1 °C (104.2 °F) Chuping 1998-04-09[22][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Myanmar 47.0 °C (116.6 °F) Myinmu 2010-05-12[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Pakistan 53.5 °C (128.3 °F) Mohenjo-daro, Sindh 2010-05-26[10][23][/color]
Philippines 42.2 °C (107.96 °F) Tuguegarao, Cagayan Valley 1912-04-12[24]
Qatar 50.4 °C (122.7 °F) Doha 2010-07-14[10]
[color=#FF0000]Russia 42.3 °C (108.1 °F) Belogorsk, Amur Oblast 2010-07-12[25][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Saudi Arabia 52.0 °C (125.6 °F) Jeddah 2010-06-22[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Singapore 36.0 °C (96.8 °F) Singapore 1998-03-26[22][/color]
South Korea 40.0 °C (104 °F) Daegu 1942-08-01[26]
[color=#FF0000]Taiwan 40.2 °C (104 °F) Taitung County 2004-05-09[27][/color]
Thailand 44.5 °C (112.1 °F) Uttaradit 1960-04-27[28]
[color=#FF0000]Turkey 48.8 °C (119.8 °F) Mardin 1993-08-14[29]
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Oceania‡ 50.7 °C (123.3 °F)
Oodnadatta, South Australia, Australia 1960-01-02[30][31][32]
New Zealand 42.4 °C (108.3 °F) Rangiora, Canterbury and Jordan, Marlborough (tied) 1973-02-07[33]
[color=#FF0000]Solomon Islands 36.1 °C (97 °F) Honiara, Guadalcanal Province 2010-02-01[10][/color]
South America 49.1 °C (120.4 °F) Villa de María, Argentina 1920-01-02[30][34]
[color=#FF0000]Bolivia 46.7 °C (116.1 °F) Villamontes, Tarija Department 2010-10-29*[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Brazil 44.7 °C (112.4 °F) Bom Jesus, Piauí 2005-11-21[35][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Colombia 42.3 °C (108 °F) Puerto Salgar, Cundinamarca Department 2010-10-29[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Paraguay 45 °C (113 °F) Pratts Gill, Boquerón Department 2009-11-14[36][/color]
Uruguay 44 °C (111.2 °F) Paysandú, Paysandú Department 1943-01-20[37]
Venezuela 41 °C (105.8 °F) Maracaibo, Zulia State ?[4]
Central America and Caribbean Islands 45 °C (113 °F) Estanzuela, Zacapa, Guatemala ?[38]
Dominican Republic 43.0 °C (109.4 °F) Mao 1954-08-31[39][40]
[color=#FF0000]Cuba 38.8 °C (102 °F) Jucarito (Granma Province) 1999-04-17[41][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Commonwealth of Puerto Rico 37.2 °C (99 °F) Arecibo 1985-06-25[42][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Europe 48.0 °C or 48.5 °C (118.4 °F or 119.3 °F) Athens, Greece or Catenanuova, Italy (Catenanuova’s record is disputed) 1977-07-10[43] or 1999-08-10;[44][/color]
Albania 43.9 °C (111.0 °F) Kuçovë 1973-07-18
Austria 39.7 °C (103.5 °F) Dellach im Drautal 1983-07-27[45]
[color=#FF0000]Belarus 38.9 °C (102 °F) Gomel 2010-08-07[10][/color]
Belgium 38.8 °C (102 °F) Uccle 1947-06-27
Bosnia and Herzegovina 46.2 °C (115.16 °F) Mostar (Herzegovina, Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina) 1900-07-31
Bulgaria 45.2 °C (113.3 °F) Sadovo, Plovdiv Province 1916-08-05[46]
[color=#FF0000]Croatia 42.8 °C (109 °F) Ploče 1998-08-05[47][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Cyprus 46.6 °C (115.9 °F) Lefkoniko, Cyprus 2010-08-01[10][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Czech Republic 40.4 °C (104.7 °F) Dobřichovice, Prague-West District 2012-08-20[48][/color]
Denmark 36.4 °C (97.5 °F) Holstebro, Midtjylland 1975-08-10[49]
[color=#FF0000]Estonia 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) Võru 1992-08-11[50][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Finland 37.2 °C (99 °F) Liperi 2010-07-29[51][/color]
[color=#FF0000]France 44.1 °C (111.4 °F) Conqueyrac / Saint-Christol-lès-Alès 2003-08-12[52][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Germany 40.2 °C (104.4 °F) Gärmersdorf bei Amberg / Karlsruhe & Freiburg 1983-07-27 / 2003-08-13[53][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Hungary 41.9 °C (107.4 °F) Kiskunhalas 2007-07-20[54][/color]
Iceland 30.5 °C (86.9 °F) Teigarhorn, Djúpivogur 1939-06-22[55][56]
Ireland 33.3 °C (92 °F) Kilkenny Castle, County Kilkenny 1887-06-26[57]
[color=#FF0000]Italy 47 °C or 48.5 °C (116.6 or 119.3 °F) Foggia, Apulia or Catenanuova, Sicily (Catenanuova’s record is disputed) 2007-06-25 and 1999-08-10[44][/color]
Latvia 36.4 °C (97.5 °F) Daugavpils 1943-08-04[58]
[color=#FF0000]Lithuania 37.5 °C (99.5 °F) Zarasai, Utena County 1994-07-30[59][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Macedonia 45.7 °C(114.26 °F) Demir Kapija, Demir Kapija Municipality 2007-07-24[60][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Malta 43.8 °C (110.84 °F) Malta International Airport 1999-08-09[61][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Moldova 42.4 °C(108.3 °F) Falesti 2012-08-07[12][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Montenegro 44.8 °C (112.6 °F) Podgorica & Danilovgrad 2007-08-16 & 2012-08-08[12][/color]
Netherlands 38.6 °C (102 °F) Warnsveld 1944-08-23[62]
Norway 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) Nesbyen, Buskerud 1970-06-20[63]
Poland 40.2 °C (104.4 °F) Prószków, Opole Voivodeship (then Proskau in Germany) 1921-07-29[64]
[color=#FF0000]Portugal 47.4 °C (117.3 °F) Amareleja, Beja 2003-08-01[65][/color]
Romania 44.5 °C (112.1 °F) Ion Sion, Brăila County 1951-08-10[66]
[color=#FF0000]Russia 45.4 °C (113.7 °F) Utta, Kalmykia 2010-07-12[67][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Serbia 44.9 °C (112.8 °F) Smederevska Palanka, Podunavlje District 2007-07-24[68][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Slovakia 40.3 °C (104.5 °F) Hurbanovo 2007-07-20[4][/color]
Slovenia 40.6 °C (105.1 °F) Črnomelj 1950-07-05[69]
[color=#FF0000]Spain 47.2 °C (116.9 °F) Murcia 1994-07-04[70][/color]
Sweden 38.0 °C (100.4 °F) Ultuna, Uppsala County / Målilla, Kalmar County 1933-07-09 / 1947-06-29[71]
[color=#FF0000]Switzerland 41.5 °C (106.7 °F) Grono, Moesa District 2003-08-11[72][/color]
[color=#FF0000]Ukraine 42.0 °C (107.6 °F) Luhansk 2010-08-12[73][/color]
[color=#FF0000]United Kingdom (England) 38.5 °C (101.3 °F) Faversham, Kent, England 2003-08-10[74][/color]
[color=#FF0000]United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) 30.8 °C (87.4 °F) Knockarevan, County Fermanagh / Belfast, County Antrim 1976-06-30 / 1983-07-12[74][/color]
[color=#FF0000]United Kingdom (Scotland) 32.9 °C (91.2 °F) Greycrook, Scottish Borders 2003-08-09[74][/color]
[color=#FF0000]United Kingdom (Wales) 35.2 °C (95.4 °F) Hawarden Bridge, Flintshire 1990-08-02[74][/color]
Antarctica 14.6 °C (59 °F) Vanda Station, Scott Coast 1974-01-05[30]
[color=#FF0000]South Pole −12.3 °C (9.9 °F) Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station 2011-12-25[75] [/color]

I’m being generous - I didn’t even count records set in the 70’s or 80’s. And note that about 20 of the dates for countries in this list are missing.

Lowest temperatures ever recorded

Temperature Location Date
Antarctica (World record) −89.2 °C (−128.6 °F) Vostok Station 1983-07-21[30][78][80]
[color=#0080FF]Dome A −82.5 °C (−116.5 °F) Dome A 2005–07[81][/color]
South Pole −82.8 °C (−117.0 °F) Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station [82]
Asia −68 °C (−90 °F) Verkhoyansk and Oymyakon, both in Sakha Republic, Russia 1892-02-07 and 1933-02-06[30]
Bangladesh 2.8 °C (37.0 °F) Sreemangal 1968-?-?[83]
China −52.3 °C (−62.1 °F) Mohe County 1969-02-13[84]
India −50 °C (−58 °F)/−33.9 °C (−29.0 °F) Dras, Ladakh January ??/1911-03-22[85]
Iran −36 °C (−32.8 °F) Saqqez 1969[86]
Iraq −17.6 °C (0.4 °F) Mosul, Ninawa Governorate 1911-01-24[87]
Israel −13.7 °C (7.3 °F) Beit Netofa Valley 1950-02-07[88]
Japan −41 °C (−41.8 °F) Asahikawa, Hokkaidō 1902-01-25[21]
Malaysia 7.8 °C (46.0 °F) Cameron Highlands 1978-02-01[22]
[color=#0080FF]Nepal −45 °C (−49.0 °F) Mt. Everest, Sagarmatha 1999-05-15[21][/color]
North Korea −43.6 °C (−46.5 °F) Chunggangjin 1933-01-12[89]
Pakistan −26 °C (−15 °F) Astore, Gilgit-Baltistan ?[13]
[color=#0080FF]Philippines 2 °C (35.6 °F) Mount Pulag, Mountain Province 2011-01[90][/color]
Thailand −1.4 °C (29.5 °F) Sakon Nakhon 1974-01-02[28]
Turkey −46.4 °C (−51.5 °F) Van 1990-01-09[29]
North America −66.1 °C (−87.0 °F) North Ice, Greenland 1954-01-09[30]
Canada −63 °C (−81 °F) Snag, Yukon 1947-02-03[30][78]
[color=#0080FF]Mexico −32 °C (−25.6 °F) Santa Barbara, Durango 1999[91][/color]
United States −62 °C (−80 °F) Prospect Creek, Alaska 1971-01-23[92]
Europe −58.1 °C (−72.6 °F) Ust’ Shchugor, Russia 1978-12-31[43]
Albania −27.5 °C (−17.5 °F) Voskopojë 1967-01-27
Austria −37.4 °C (−38.6 °F) Sonnblick 1905-01-01[93]
Belarus −42.2 °C (−44.0 °F) Slavnom, Vitsebsk Voblast 1940-01-17[94]
Belgium −30.1 °C (−22.2 °F) Valley of the Lesse in Rochefort 1940-01-20[95]
Bosnia and Herzegovina −42 °C (−44 °F) Veliko Polje on the Igman plateau 1963-01-24[citation needed]
Bulgaria −38.3 °C (−37 °F) Tran 1947-01-25[46]
Croatia −35.5 °C (−31.5 °F) Čakovec 1929-02-03[47]
Czech Republic −42.2 °C (−44.0 °F) Litvínovice 1929-02-11[48]
Denmark −31.2 °C (−24.2 °F) Thisted Municipality, North Denmark Region 1982-01-08[49]
Estonia −43.5 °C (−46.0 °F) Jõgeva, Jõgeva County 1940-01-17[50]
[color=#0080FF]Finland −51.5 °C (−60.7 °F) Kittilä, Lapland 1999-01-28[96][/color]
France −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Mouthe, Doubs 1985-01-17[97]
[color=#0080FF]Germany −45.9 °C (−50.6 °F) Funtensee, Nationalpark Berchtesgaden, Bavaria 2001-12-24[53][/color]
Greece −27.8 °C (−18.0 °F) Ptolemaida 1967-01-27[98]
Hungary −35.0 °C (−31.0 °F) Görömbölytapolca 1940-02-16[54]
Iceland −37.9 °C (−36.2 °F) Grímsstaðir 1918-01-21[55]
Ireland −19.1 °C (−2.4 °F) Markree Castle, County Sligo 1881-01-16[57]
[color=#0080FF]Italy −48.3 °C (−54.9 °F) Busa Fradusta, Pale di San Martino 2010-12-27[99][/color]
Latvia −43.2 °C (−45.8 °F) Daugavpils 1956-02-08[58]
Lithuania −42.9 °C (−45.2 °F) Utena, Utena County 1956-02-01[59]
Macedonia −31.5 °C (−24.7 °F) Berovo, Berovo Municipality 1954-01-27[100]
Malta 1.4 °C (34.5 °F) Malta International Airport 1981-01-29[61]
Netherlands −27.4 °C (−17.3 °F) Winterswijk 1942-01-27[62]
Norway −51.4 °C (−60.5 °F) Karasjok, Finnmark 1886-01-01[63]
Poland −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Siedlce, Masovian Voivodeship 1940-01-11[64]
Portugal −16.0 °C (3.2 °F) Penhas da Saúde, Covilhã Municipality
Miranda do Douro 1945-01-16 and 1954-02-05[101]
Romania −38.5 °C (−37.3 °F) Bod, Braşov County 1942-01-25[66]
Serbia −39.5 °C (−39.1 °F) Karajukica Bunari, Zlatibor District 1985-01-13[68]
Slovakia −41.0 °C (−41.8 °F) Vigľaš-Pstruša 1929-02-11[102]
Slovenia −34.5 °C (−30.1 °F) Babno Polje 1956-02-15 / 1956-02-16 / 1968-01-13[notes 1][69]
Spain −32.0 °C (−25.6 °F) Lake Estangento, Lleida 1956-02-02[70]
Sweden −53.0 °C (−63.4 °F) Malgovik, Västerbotten County 1941-12-13[71]
Switzerland −41.8 °C (−43.2 °F) La Brévine 1987-01-12[72]
Ukraine −41.9 °C (−43.4 °F) Luhansk 1935-02-08[103]
United Kingdom (England) −26.1 °C (−15.0 °F) Newport, Shropshire, West Midlands 1982-01-10[74]
[color=#0080FF]United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) −18.7 °C (−1.7 °F) Castlederg, County Tyrone 2010-12-24[104][/color]
United Kingdom (Scotland) −27.2 °C (−17.0 °F) Braemar, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Altnaharra, Sutherland, Scotland 1895-02-11 and 1982-01-10 and 1995-12-30[74]
United Kingdom (Wales) −23.3 °C (−9.9 °F) Rhayader, Powys 1940-01-21[74]
South America −39 °C (−38 °F) Valle de los Patos Superior, San Juan, Argentina 1972-07-17[105][106]
Bolivia −25.7 °C (−14.3 °F) Uyuni, Potosí Department 1946-08-04[107]
Brazil −14 °C (7 °F) Caçador, Santa Catarina 1952-06[108]
[color=#0080FF]Chile −37 °C (−35 °F) Coyhaique Alto, Aisén 2002-06-21[109][/color]
[color=#0080FF]Paraguay −7.5 °C (18.5 °F) Pratts Gill, Boquerón Department 2000-07-13[110][/color]
Peru −25.2 °C (−13.4 °F) Mazo Cruz, Puno Region 1966-06-30[111]
Uruguay −11 °C (12 °F) Melo, Cerro Largo Department 1967-06-14[37]
Venezuela −12 °C (10 °F) Piedras Blancas, Merida State ?[4]
Africa −24 °C (−11 °F) Ifrane, Morocco 1935-02-11[30]
Algeria −20 °C (−4 °F) Batna, Batna Province 1945-01-04[112]
Ethiopia −7.5 °C (18.5 °F) Alemaya 2005-?-?[112]
Lesotho −20.4 °C (−4.7 °F) Letseng-la-Draai (Letseng-la-Terae), Mokhotlong District 1967-06-12[112]
[color=#0080FF]South Africa −18.6 °C (−1.5 °F) Buffelsfontein, near Molteno, Eastern Cape 1996-06-28[14][/color]
Oceania −25.6 °C (−14.1 °F) Ranfurly, Central Otago, New Zealand 1903-07-18[113]
[color=#0080FF]Australia −23 °C (−9.4 °F) Charlotte Pass, New South Wales, Australia 1994-06-29[114][/color]
Central America and Caribbean Islands −11.5 °C (11.3 °F) Olintepeque, Quetzaltenango, Guatemala ?[38]
Dominican Republic −3.5 °C (25.7 °F) Valle Nuevo, Constanza 1959-03-02[115]
[color=#0080FF]Cuba 0.6 °C (33.1 °F) Bainoa, Mayabeque Province 1996-02-18[116][/color]
[color=#0080FF]Commonwealth of Puerto Rico 4.4 °C (40 °F) Adjuntas Aibonito Corozal 1989-12-28[117] 1906-02-26[117] 1945-01-19[117][/color]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_w … r_recorded

Notice any differences. A trend, maybe?

Also…

Top 10 Warmest Years (1880–2012)

The following table lists the global combined land and ocean annually-averaged temperature rank and anomaly for each of the 10 warmest years on record.
1 = Warmest

Period of Record: 1880–2012 Year Anomaly °C Anomaly °F
[color=#FF0000]1 2010 0.66 1.19
2 2005 0.65 1.17
3 1998 0.63 1.13
4 2003 0.62 1.11
5 2002 0.61 1.10
6 (tie)* 2006 0.59 1.07
6 (tie)* 2009 0.59 1.07
6 (tie)* 2007 0.59 1.06
9 2004 0.58 1.04
10 2012 0.57 1.03[/color]

ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2012/13

See the other thread for my thoughts on this.

Now you’re just being a dick. This is generally the last resort of people when they don’t have legitimate arguments to make. (Christopher Monckton vs. Potholer54 on WUTH is a great example.) I admitted I’d made a mistake about the birthday problem right off the bat. When was the last time you did that?

Tommy, you say we have enough weather threads, please at least read through the other one. This talking point has been beaten up pretty badly there.

[quote=“Vay”]
Notice any differences. A trend, maybe?[/quote]
Yes, Temperatures have risen until about 1998 and then stayed level there. I didn’t say global cooling has happened yet. Atleast not in the temperature record.

Also, why don’t you leave out the temperature records for the 80s and 90s. Everyone knows temperatures rose then.

Also, the middle latitudes is where deserts are common because of Hadley cells, in which descending dry air cause a high pressure area. (There are no deserts near the equator, on the other hand). So those latitudes are suspect because of the phenomena, (which is also responsible for Arizona fires). High pressure forces the gulf stream northward (in northern hemisphere), they are also very dry, which means greenhouse gases are reduced, and yet cause searing heat and heat records.

This is because of adiabatic heating, which means no heat is added (like from global warming). It is compressed by the descending air, which causes high pressure in those latitudes. And this phenomena is very common during the 20-year cooling cycle of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (or Northern Atlantic Oscillation), which PDO has been in cool mode since 2003 until now, so we will continue to see natural heat waves in West every summer until the end of that 20-year phase. So you can strike all those records in the desert-mid latitudes as well due to natural variation, like those desert African nations in Sudan, Chad, Algeria, etc. That isn’t global warming by carbon dioxide.

Also, 2009 and 2010 was an El Nino event. Not large enough to be called so officially, but large enough to release large amounts of heat from the oceans. That could take out large number of your heat records attributed to Mother Nature.

I said I needed time to look at stuff, which I havent dont this week, I never studied El Nino, La Nina, Pacific Decadal Oscillation, Atlantic, etc., in great detail before, and it will be necessary in future in contributing legitimately to the global warming debate. A lot has happened in 4 years! And it will take me a while to absorb it all.

But I like this just one or two points, I can handle that for now, until I’ve studied up.

There are natural drivers of climate, many of which you have mentioned. Global warming theory states that manmade green house gas emissions apply a significant artificial forcing on top of natural climate forcing. So, yes, the sun and volcanoes and other things completely out of our control have the capacity to drive much greater changes to the climate… but this does change the fact that we are altering the energy balance of the planet.

Re: “it’s the sun”… skepticalscience.com/solar-a … arming.htm

There are natural drivers of climate, many of which you have mentioned. Global warming theory states that manmade green house gas emissions apply a significant artificial forcing on top of natural climate forcing. So, yes, the sun and volcanoes and other things completely out of our control have the capacity to drive much greater changes to the climate… but this does change the fact that we are altering the energy balance of the planet.[/quote]
Well, this is what the quesion boils down to. Everyone agrees that greenhouse gases play a role. But skeptics think that role may only be 20 or 30%, whereas AGW’ers think it should be perhaps higher, like 80%. The more these natural forcings like the sun and volcanoes keep on trumping these “artificial forcings,” the more we need to ponder just how greatly inflated the influence greenhouse gases really exert has been.

Look, it’s real straight-forward. GHGs trap energy within the earth system. That energy has to go somewhere. AGW theorists have multiple converging lines of evidence that the excess energy trapped by GHGs is warming the oceans, melting the ice, and increasing global average surface temperatures. If global warming is tragically flawed then someone had better advance a cogent theory of where exactly that energy is going. Denialists don’t have a competing theory; they’re simply nitpicking and muddying the waters.

If you think the effects of GHGs have been “inflated” then you should at least have another set of numbers to plug into this chart that will satisfy all the relevant physical equations.

Look, it’s real straight-forward. GHGs trap energy within the earth system. That energy has to go somewhere. AGW theorists have multiple converging lines of evidence that the excess energy trapped by GHGs is warming the oceans, melting the ice, and increasing global average surface temperatures. If global warming is tragically flawed then someone had better advance a cogent theory of where exactly that energy is going. Denialists don’t have a competing theory; they’re simply nitpicking and muddying the waters.

If you think the effects of GHGs have been “inflated” then you should at least have another set of numbers to plug into this chart that will satisfy all the relevant physical equations.[/quote]
That chart is supported by climate models. Climate models are designed on the bias of climate scientists; garbage in, garbage out. Thus, we see the chart doesn’t even take into account ENSO processes, which unquestioningly influence earth temperatures, and this by solar power, natural forcings. And neither do climate models. Climate modelers hardly know enough about the processes to even predict ENSO, let alone understand them comprehensively enough to plug them into climate models with any confidence at all.

Unprecedented July Cold – Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record

[color=#000080][ul]“Normally the high Arctic has about 90 days above freezing. This year there was
less than half that
,” says Steven Goddard website.[/ul][/color]

This isn’t a cold temperature record, but it certainly is significant. It’s not just a day or week of data, but extends across a whole summer of 2, maybe 3 months.

So you got your week or month of high records in China, balanced by this 3-month data set.

There are natural drivers of climate, many of which you have mentioned. Global warming theory states that manmade green house gas emissions apply a significant artificial forcing on top of natural climate forcing. So, yes, the sun and volcanoes and other things completely out of our control have the capacity to drive much greater changes to the climate… but this does change the fact that we are altering the energy balance of the planet.[/quote]
Well, this is what the quesion boils down to. Everyone agrees that greenhouse gases play a role. But skeptics think that role may only be 20 or 30%, whereas AGW’ers think it should be perhaps higher, like 80%. The more these natural forcings like the sun and volcanoes keep on trumping these “artificial forcings,” the more we need to ponder just how greatly inflated the influence greenhouse gases really exert has been.[/quote]

Well technically, without greenhouse gases, the average temperature of the planet would be -18°C.

Look, it’s real straight-forward. GHGs trap energy within the earth system. That energy has to go somewhere. AGW theorists have multiple converging lines of evidence that the excess energy trapped by GHGs is warming the oceans, melting the ice, and increasing global average surface temperatures. If global warming is tragically flawed then someone had better advance a cogent theory of where exactly that energy is going. Denialists don’t have a competing theory; they’re simply nitpicking and muddying the waters.

If you think the effects of GHGs have been “inflated” then you should at least have another set of numbers to plug into this chart that will satisfy all the relevant physical equations.[/quote]
That chart is supported by climate models. Climate models are designed on the bias of climate scientists; garbage in, garbage out. Thus, we see the chart doesn’t even take into account ENSO processes, which unquestioningly influence earth temperatures, and this by solar power, natural forcings. And neither do climate models. Climate modelers hardly know enough about the processes to even predict ENSO, let alone understand them comprehensively enough to plug them into climate models with any confidence at all.[/quote]

Climate models do take into account ENSO. Go take a look at the IPCC and you’ll find whole sections of the report dealing with ENSO with references to even more papers. They’ve been very good at predicting it and simulating its effects since the mid-late 90’s.