CNN Democratic Debates in South Carolina

anon38216271 · January 22, 2008, 5:06am

Hillary got booed. 2x
Obama got tag teamed twice by Clinton and Edwards
Edwards stuck to his poverty platform.
And Hillary didn’t cry but the claws were out. MEOW. HSSSSS

If you get a chance to watch it, the do cause it was great.

Chris · January 22, 2008, 5:13am

Didn’t they just have the primaries in SC? Or was I imagining things?

Dr_McCoy · January 22, 2008, 5:22am

Who cares. There not enough difference in any three of the candidates. All I can do is wait to see who I will be allowed to vote for.

anon38216271 · January 22, 2008, 5:23am

That was the GOP primaries. Nevada had the Dem caucus. I think this weekend is the SC Dem primaries.

Neverless, watch it. Fireworks, aplomb!!!

Chris · January 22, 2008, 5:31am

So what you’re saying is, SC has its Dem and GOP primaries on different days? :loco:

I don’t remember that happening before.

And I thought the undemocratic Michigan primary was loco, as was NBC’s lawsuit to keep Kucinich out of the Nevada debates.

What has happened to America’s democratic process?

anon38216271 · January 22, 2008, 5:36am

[quote=“Chris”]
What has happened to America’s democratic process?[/quote]

PAC baby, PACs.

Primary Calendar

reztrop · January 22, 2008, 5:39am

Obama and Hillary sparred over Ronald Reagan in the South Carolina debate.

Obama recently spoke highly of Ronald Reagan as being a transformative politician who transcended across party lines. Hillary blasted him for speaking highly of the former president.

anon38216271 · January 22, 2008, 5:43am

[quote=“reztrop”]Obama and Hillary sparred over Ronald Reagan in the South Carolina debate.

Obama recently spoke highly of Ronald Reagan as being a transformative politician who transcended across party lines. Hillary blasted him for speaking highly of the former president.[/quote]

You got that just as twisted as everyone else did.

He didn’t, IMHO, mean that. I believe and he clarified this, that he was speaking to how Reagan’s ability to be able to cross party lines to get people to join in his vision, which Hillary will never in this lifetime be able to do. Especially after this last debate.

Hump!

Chewycorns · January 22, 2008, 5:43am

[quote=“reztrop”]Obama and Hillary sparred over Ronald Reagan in the South Carolina debate.

Obama recently spoke highly of Ronald Reagan as being a transformative politician who transcended across party lines. Hillary blasted him for speaking highly of the former president.[/quote]

I talked about this in another thread. From my understanding, it was Edwards that was doing most of the blasting. After all, Hillary, on her campaign website, listed Reagan as one of the top presidents of the US.

anon38216271 · January 22, 2008, 5:50am

[quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“reztrop”]Obama and Hillary sparred over Ronald Reagan in the South Carolina debate.

Obama recently spoke highly of Ronald Reagan as being a transformative politician who transcended across party lines. Hillary blasted him for speaking highly of the former president.[/quote]

I talked about this in another thread. From my understanding, it was Edwards that was doing most of the blasting. After all, Hillary, on her campaign website, listed Reagan as one of the top presidents of the US.[/quote]

Yea she got called on the carpet for that also.

reztrop · January 22, 2008, 6:40am

[quote]You got that just as twisted as everyone else did.

He didn’t, IMHO, mean that. I believe and he clarified this, that he was speaking to how Reagan’s ability to be able to cross party lines to get people to join in his vision, which Hillary will never in this lifetime be able to do. Especially after this last debate.
[/quote]

This acrimonious exchange between Obama and Hillary, with him vigorously defending himself and firing back at her is good practice for Obama. It helps harden Obama in preparation for the Republican attack machine should he get nominated.

Chewycorns · January 22, 2008, 12:03pm

I love it when things get down and dirty But hey, I thought Obama was supposed to be above this gutter-style of politics. By going after Hillary for her Wal-Mart ties, Obama is just reiterating, in my mind, that he has never lived in the real world for his working life. After all, he went from community advocacy to teaching to public service. He should know that most lawyers work on behalf of corporations sometime or other during their careers.

Breibart.com:

A simmering feud between Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama erupted into charges of distortion and exaggeration in a gloves- off presidential debate Monday, with Clinton accusing him of representing a Chicago slumlord and Obama countering that she was a corporate lawyer for anti-union Wal-Mart.

As Obama tried to defend his recent comments about Republican ideas and Ronald Reagan, Clinton interrupted and said she has never criticized his remarks on Reagan.

“Your husband did,” said Obama, who has accused the former president of misrepresenting his record.

“I’m here. He’s not,” she snapped.

Obama persisted, suggesting the Clintons were both practicing the kind of political tactics that had alienated voters.

“There was a set of assertions made by Senator Clinton as well as her husband that are not factually accurate,” Obama said. “I think that part of what people are looking for right now is someone who is going to solve problems and not resort to the same typical politics that we’ve seen in Washington.”

Clinton countered: “I believe your record and what you say should matter.”

Hillary Clinton, who was close with the Walton family, served on the Wal-Mart board from 1986 to 1992. In 2006, her Senate campaign returned $5,000 to the company’s political action committee while citing differences with company policies.

A blind trust held by Clinton and her husband, the former president, included stock holdings in Wal-Mart. They liquidated the contents of the blind trust in 2007 because of investments that could pose conflicts of interest or prove embarrassing as she ran for president.

Chicago real estate developer and fast food magnate Antoin “Tony” Rezko was a longtime fundraiser for Obama. Prosecutors have charged him with fraud, attempted extortion and money laundering in what they allege was a scheme to get campaign money and payoffs from firms seeking to do business before two state boards.

Obama’s campaign said Saturday it was giving to charities more than $40,000 from donors linked to Rezko. In 2006, when charges against Rezko were made public, Obama gave $11,500 in Rezko contributions to charities.

Often speaking over each other, Obama and Clinton bitterly complained about each other’s legislative records. Obama questioned why the New York senator had voted for a bankruptcy bill that she later said she was glad hadn’t passed, and Clinton criticized Obama for voting “present” on dozens of occasions while a member of the Illinois legislature.

“Senator Obama, it’s hard to have a straight up debate with you because you never take responsibility for any vote,” Clinton said to loud boos. “On issue after issue, you voted present … Whenever someone raises that, there’s always some sort of explanation.”

Obama accused Clinton of playing loose with the facts and saying anything to get elected, while Edwards joined Clinton in criticizing Obama for the “present” votes.

“Why would you over 100 times vote present?” Edwards pointedly challenged Obama. He said he didn’t simply refuse to vote on controversial bills in Congress. “It would have been safe for me politically … but I have a responsibility to take a position even if it costs me politically.”

Obama said most of his present votes didn’t have political consequences but were because of technical or legal concerns.

“Don’t question, John, that on issue after issue that is important to the American people, I haven’t followed. I have led,” Obama said.

Edwards also joined Clinton in criticizing Obama’s health care reform proposal, saying his plan did not provide universal coverage. Both Clinton and Edwards have mandates in their plans.

“My core belief is that people desperately want coverage,” Obama said in trying to defend himself. He said his goal is to lower costs so everyone can afford health care and not punish people who don’t have it.

Clinton and Obama called for tax rebates for individuals to help with home heating and other short-term needs. But Obama claimed he was first with the idea, saying Clinton had “caught up” with him.

Edwards tried to make a distinction by pointing out that Clinton and Obama supported a trade deal with Peru. “South Carolina has been devastated by NAFTA and trade deals,” Edwards said.

Obama responded by criticized Edwards for voting for permanent trade relations with China and struck out at Clinton for saying last year that NAFTA has been boon to the economy. “I think it’s been devastating,” Obama said.

The two-hour debate was sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute and CNN.
breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1

MikeN · January 22, 2008, 12:47pm

[quote=“Chewycorns”]I love it when things get down and dirty But hey, I thought Obama was supposed to be above this gutter-style of quote=“Breibart.com”]politics. By going after Hillary for her Wal-Mart ties, Obama is just reiterating, in my mind, that he has never lived in the real world for his working life. After all, he went from community advocacy to teaching to public service. He should know that most lawyers work on behalf of corporations sometime or other during their careers.
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Yeah, because dealing with the Daley machine in the underbelly of Democratic politics in Chicago has nothing to do with real life, unlike being a corporate lawyer.