Confidence to drive a car

Dont get me wrong, in Australia, I am quite comfortable driving in places that others I know are too “scared” to drive due to the craziness of the traffic.

Aside from driving on the wrong side of the road, Taiwan seems a whole new level of craziness.

Aside from remembering to “not get drunk at a club and have one of the club’s employees drive you home and get into a car accident” — do you have any advise for first time drivers in taiwan?

Based on all the stories I have read so far I am beginning to think I shouldn’t get behind the wheel of a car without a video camera focused in front and behind the car (:

[quote=“pqkdzrwt”]Dont get me wrong, in Australia, I am quite comfortable driving in places that others I know are too “scared” to drive due to the craziness of the traffic.

Aside from driving on the wrong side of the road, Taiwan seems a whole new level of craziness.

Aside from remembering to “not get drunk at a club and have one of the club’s employees drive you home and get into a car accident” — do you have any advise for first time drivers in taiwan?

Based on all the stories I have read so far I am beginning to think I shouldn’t get behind the wheel of a car without a video camera focused in front and behind the car (:[/quote]
If you can drive, then its just driving. If you can’t, then this is not really the place to learn. I’ve been driving here for 20 years and in the UK for 20 years before that. Not a great deal of difference, despite what others have said. I’ve never really noticed much difference. But then, I’ve also driven in most countries in Europe, and in Australia. Again, its just driving. Not exactly rocket science. Keep your eyes open and treat every other road user as an idiot and you’ll be just fine, just like anywhere else.

I’ve been driving here for over 5 years now. It was scary for the first couple of weeks, but I got used to it.

The worst part was getting used to the scooters that are trying to pass you both on the right and the left and any given time. But you eventually realize that they’ll get out of the way since you’re bigger than they are.

For me the biggest difference is the speed. Compared to Australia you’ll need to drive slower to have more reaction time, and to give more reaction time to others. Traffic just doesn’t flow so smoothly here since signaling is optional, red lights are often ignored, parking can be done anywhere as long as your ‘emergency’ lights are on, and pedestrians sees no difference in pavements and roads. Drive slowly enough, and make sure everyone knows what your intentions are, and you can practically do anything in Taiwan’s traffic without causing an accident since people are used to it.

I drove in Taiwan for the first time a few weeks ago, and it was actually a bit of a relief how smoothly it went. That being said, almost none of it was in Taipei with its swarms of scooters. Now I find myself thinking about all the places I should rent a car and drive to. It’s pretty liberating to get over the nervousness about driving here.
When I first arrived in Taiwan, I thought the traffic was crazy, but now I seem to have assimilated enough that I find myself wondering why I thought it was so bad. You just need to, at all times, expect everyone around you to do something unexpected. You should also have a really good sense of how wide your car is and where its boundaries are - there is a lot of really close passing at much higher speeds than anyone in the US would do (particularly important when there’s a bus barreling at you on a narrow mountain road).

I’ve driven here for over a decade. It isn’t hard, but you have to assume everyone is not paying attention and/or blind (seriously).

The following might help:

-Taxis always straddle lanes and drive too slow (when empty) or too fast (with fare). If you are not going to let them merge in front of you, stand on your horn, otherwise you’ll be in a wreck and YOU’LL be in the wrong.

-That dumbass standing three feet out onto the street with his/her back to oncoming traffic waiting for the crosswalk light to change CANNOT hear you coming. Honk loudly. It never ceases to amaze me how often people pull this sort of retardedness. The Taiwanese have always lived in close quarters so they have not developed (or have lost) the sense one is born with that tells you when a threat is creeping up behind you.

-Blue delivery truck drivers are first rate TaiKe cocksuckers. They speed, they will not let you merge, they will run reds and corner very very hard. Keep your head on a swivel whenever they are near (same with cabs).

-NEVER fuck with a bus, they WILL do what they want and you cannot fight it. Buses have this incredibly annoying habit of picking up riders on the outside, then going all the way to the inside lane then going back to the outside at the next stop 300 yards down the street, it is fucking hack and annoying as hell, but they are king of the jungle.

-Taiwan traffic is actually some perverse marriage of right of way and who ever is bigger. The feeding chain is as follows: Buses and Heavy truck > Cube vans and blue trucks > taxis > cars > small cars > big bikes > scooters > bicylces > pedestrians. KNOW YOUR ROLE. If you want to get gully and move up the food chain (as taxis like to do on occasion), make sure you have given yourself an out, or you’ll wipe out.

-Scooters are a parasite that you will grow to loath, a huge portion of scooter drivers are under-skilled, under-experienced, and just plain inattentive. A typical Taiwan right of passage is to graduate high school, get a scooter, go back to your old high school and show off your scooter and your new gayass Japanese boy band haircut, then return to the school a month later with your tail between your legs and your arm in a sling (or on crutches) from you first scooter accident. Dumb kids driving too fast and swervin like Mervin Fernandez (see how many of you get that reference). These little two wheeled menaces will also pass you on the inside when you turn right, and they will turn right onto busy streets without looking (be prepared to stop). ALSO if you get in a wreck with a scooter, get out of your car quickly and snap a picture, because that little prick may well take off down the street if it was his fault, leaving you with a nice scratch or dent to repair on your dime. In Taipei avoid the Civil Blvd surface road unless absolutely necessary, this is ground zero for scooters in TW.

Quick Scooter Aside: Many Taiwanese learn the road on a scooter as oppose to in a car, so once they graduate to a car, they drive their four-wheeler, like it was a two-wheeler. This usually means squishing in as close to the stop line as possible at a red light, passing on the inside or shoulder (a Taiwan highway tradition), weaving in and out of lanes, and not committing to a lane until the best one presents itself (straddling two lanes).

-While it is imperative you drive defensively, it is also important to not drive like a complete pussy. You NEED to muscle into to certain lanes, because if you don’t show the requisite amount of gumption, you’ll be stranded where you are forever. You gotta use the force sometimes when merging or changing lanes in the city. The good thing is people aren’t going very fast, so there is time to react.

-Racer boys and their rice rockets. Luckily you can hear these tricked out lawnmowers coming from a mile away (even easier to spot when the hyped up yao-toh Canto-techno is blaring out the windows), and on a sunny day you may get blinded by the shit orange dye job on their head when the sun hits it, that being said, stay in your lane and let them pass. These fools will soon turn their Honda Civic into an accordion, so it isn’t necessary that you help them. They swerve uncontrollably and are often driving 2 to 3 times the speed of every other car. World class ass clowns.

-Gravel tuck drivers. These binglang chewing, Whisby drinking, LongLife smoking, Taipee sippin, ger chang’n lads aren’t the threat they were a decade ago, but be careful, those rickety rigs they drive here aren’t maneuverable, nor do they brake quickly. Let em go.

Two rules that should keep you safe:

-horn often
-assume everyone will do the dumbest thing imaginable.

Taiwan traffic has improved immensely over the last decade, and it is rare to be stuck in traffic, but traffic is always one of the last things to evolve into a first world standard when it comes to the developing world and Taiwan is no different.

Driving a car in Taiwan can be enjoyable, but it can also be insanely frustrating. You need to adopt a very laid back demeanor when you drive or you will go batty.

have fun, be safe.

I can’t remember the last time I sounded my horn. Never seem to need to.

I just upgraded my horn as the standard skoda one is quieter than a scooters.
Now i have a nasty bosch high/low horn that sounds like a truck, its really helped out alot since getting it.

What, five posts saying its, like, ynow’ cool, just like everywhere else, then going on to describe how fucking awful it is?

I’ve driven in Australia. It was really, really nice.

Taiwan isn’t. Its fucking awful.

But you do sort of adjust, a bit, after a while.

And you can get away with absolutely anything that doesn’t kill you.

Horses for courses, then. I don’t find it awful, in fact I usually find it to be a bit of a stress-reliever. If I really felt it to be fucking awful I’d take taxis. Problem solved, and probably cheaper, to boot.

I certainly wouldn’t describe it as ‘fucking awful’. Everything moves reasonably efficiently. I’ve only been driving here for 7 months, but I’ve had no problems. You just have to be a little bit more forceful than in the UK.

Actually, I found London to be one of the scariest, most stressful places to drive. Rome is pretty hairy, too, as is Paris. Taiwan’s roads are a stroll in the park compared to those places, IMO.

Actually, I found London to be one of the scariest, most stressful places to drive. Rome is pretty hairy, too, as is Paris. Taiwan’s roads are a stroll in the park compared to those places, IMO.[/quote]

Fair point. I’m comparing the Cotswolds and Oxfordshire with Taipei, which isn’t a particularly fair comparison.

OP - driving in Taiwan is generally fine. Don’t worry about it. You’ll be fine after a couple of weeks acclimatising.

Thanks for the thoughtful posts. I just need to get my international drivers license and I wil find out for myself (:

Regarding Australian traffic, it is mostly easy driving. Its just when you get to some places like in the city, you need to start doing more crazy things like forcing yourself into lanes when no one wants to let you. It helps if you are not stressed about your car getting dented. :slight_smile:

Horses for courses, then. I don’t find it awful, …[/quote]

Didn’t say you did. I don’t have an opinion about that, or any use for one.

Deuce Dropper’s multi-commended post above provides wide, but by no means complete, coverage of the landscape of license that constitutes the awfulness. (here relative to AUSTRALIA, a driving paradise)

I’d add my personal choice for the piesay de resistance: They routinely take a racing line on mountain roads: i.e. Many Taiwanese drivers, and not just boy-ricers, often drive quite fast on the wrong side of the road around blind corners.

Of course y’all are entirely free to find that a bit of a stress reliever, and it moves the traffic along efficiently, which is why they do it. (I’ve asked them.)

But its still fucking awful.

Well, your stress level will not be happy driving here, if you are bothered by things like that. Seriously, always drive within your safety and comfort zone; if you are stressed, you will do something stupid which will result in an accident or at least you losing your cool and ending up with someone waving a baseball bat at you. I’ve seen lots of people try to keep up with the crazies because they think it’s the norm, only to end up with dents, insurance bills or even worse, black-eyes. Check your mirrors constantly, indicate your moves, and move (change lanes, turn a corner) slowly. The crazies can go around you and, if they hit you, they are liable.

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I’d add my personal choice for the piesay de resistance: They routinely take a racing line on mountain roads: i.e. Many Taiwanese drivers, and not just boy-ricers, often drive quite fast on the wrong side of the road around blind corners.

Of course y’all are entirely free to find that a bit of a stress reliever, and it moves the traffic along efficiently, which is why they do it. (I’ve asked them.)

But its still fucking awful.[/quote]
Ah well, I wouldn’t know about that. I’ve only driven here for 20 years and can’t have put more than 300,000 km or so on the clock, so I’ll bow to your superior experience. I haven’t noticed it as being that much worse than the other places I’ve driven, though. Certainly not enough to bend me out of shape.

[quote=“sandman”][quote=“Ducked”]
I’d add my personal choice for the piesay de resistance: They routinely take a racing line on mountain roads: i.e. Many Taiwanese drivers, and not just boy-ricers, often drive quite fast on the wrong side of the road around blind corners.

Of course y’all are entirely free to find that a bit of a stress reliever, and it moves the traffic along efficiently, which is why they do it. (I’ve asked them.)

But its still fucking awful.[/quote]
Ah well, I wouldn’t know about that. I’ve only driven here for 20 years and can’t have put more than 300,000 km or so on the clock, so I’ll bow to your superior experience. [/quote]

Not necessary (or, of course, remotely plausible).

Your experience is your own, and although its vast, it is of little relevance to me because it isn’t mine.

And vice versa of course, with knobs on.

4WIW, since the OP hasn’t driven here for 20 years, hasn’t raced semi-professionally, and has admitted to some nervousness in Australian traffic, it seems possible that my poor wee timourous, sleakit beastie, peally-wally experience is of more relevance to him than your vastly superior experience.

That said, I’m curious about a specific point. Are you actually saying that you have not observed the racing line phenomena I mention above in all your 20 years, or are you saying its just as bad elsewhere?

I’ve seen one or two head on collision aftermaths in the mountains here (Admittedly not nearly as many as I’d expect, but I don’t get out much) and they looked plenty bent out of shape.

I’ve only been driving here for 7 months, but in my limited experience the driving here really isn’t that bad. My experience is mainly limited to the NanKan area, though, which does seem to be very different to the rest of Taiwan.

I think you’ll be fine, OP. Just relax, drive very slowly, and watch out in all directions.

Having said that, I’ll probably get hit by a truck tomorrow :laughing: .

I agree with Ed, driving here is fucking awful. I hate driving the car here, fucking hate it. Mostly because of the traffic lights that stay red for far too long even in the middle of the countryside (where there shouldn’t even be a traffic light) even when there’s no one coming. No traffic lights near where I live are the intelligent type with sensors that don’t make you stop if there’s no one going the other way. Waiting for more than 30 seconds at a red light, only to get stopped again for another 30 secs+ after less than 30 secs of driving makes my blood boil. And it’s not usually 30 seconds, it’s usually a lot more as you know. More like 99 secs waiting, drive for 30, stop for 66, drive for a minute, stop for 72… FUCK!

That and lack of observation of fast lane/overtaking lane rule on the motorway. Made more annoying by the fact that my wife’s on their side “Why do you want to go any faster, you’re already going 100?”.

They are the things that give me the shits most.

All the other stuff annoys me greatly, but they are the major causes of stress for me. My advice is, listen to some soft music when driving (it probably won’t work but give it a try). And don’t expect anyone to give way.

Come on guys. The OP wants to build his confidence to drive. All this negativity ain’t helping.

Oh, fuck it. OP - if you sit behind the wheel of a car in Taiwan you will crash and die in an inferno. Just so you know.