Coronavirus crisis open thread - March

Anyone interesting in guessing what would happen next?

Things like would the global economy collapse? and what each country would react once the pandemic is eventually over?

My guess is, countries like the US and the UK will not reflect on their great loss and how they ended up with anti-science leaders who doomed 20% of the population to severe chronic illness or death. Those isolationists would leverage both countries broken political system by pointing out how both nations would be better off left lone. Both countries could become even more radical than they already are.

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How many cases has Taiwan had today?

Tough luck, press F to pay respects to those two purple-ish dots.

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you may find the info here.

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It’s not just them, though. For some reason that I cannot fathom the leaders of Italy, France and Spain seem to be getting a pass from mainstream media. The leader of one of the two parties of the ruling coalition in Italy AT THE END OF FEBRUARY (I believe it was the 27th) was inviting all the Italians not to worry and to go out and enjoy life because Italy = strong. Not only did he test positive (Google: Nicola Zingaretti coronavirus), but the peak of infections in Italy started a couple of weeks into March, so 10/15 days after the government essentially told everyone not to worry. In France Macron spent weeks downplaying the situation, and then last week some doctors sued the prime minister Philippe and the former Health Minister for withholding critical information because their hospitals are filling up way too quickly. Macron went from saying:“All’s good”, to:“Old people please stay home” then:“Ok maybe everyone stay home”, but it was already too late. Spain witnessed what was going on in Italy and their reaction had been:“Lmao whatever la”, and now their situation is catching up with the Italian one.

Basically, all the Asian countries around china that are used to their fuckery reacted quickly and for the most part have been able to contain the damage, while Western countries that enjoy the flow of rmb have decided to wait to avoid angering a huge trade partner. I believe Italy few months ago even entered the belt&road meme in order to increase its exports toward china (lol).

Many world leaders will end up under scrutiny when things settle down.

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I will miss the Singaporean Laksa instant noodles.
They were 100NT per single pack (quite a steep price) and surprisingly they are also all gone.

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China is enjoying some respite now that everyone else is too busy cleaning up the mess the virus made in their respective countries to pay them much mind. I’m curious to know how their relations with the rest of the world will be affected once the pandemic begins to dissipate and people remember who started it all.

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Very true. I suspect / hope that the relative lack of criticism of Italy and France is because a lot of those news stories are in the local languages, and haven’t yet reached English-language media.

The most critical piece I’ve yet seen about Italy, from Foreign Policy (paywalled, but accessible in private mode):

An ABC Australia account of Italy’s mistakes:

A Guardian piece without many details, but it thankfully avoids the annoying Confucian cultural stereotypes, and instead emphasizes how SARS scared Taiwan and Singapore into developing countermeasures, whereas other countries perhaps learned “Huh, these epidemics get nipped in the bud - no need to worry”:

A Vox piece that’s a little forgiving of Italy, with this key quote: “The lesson from Italy isn’t just that you have to act before your hospitals are overwhelmed. It’s that you have to take steps that appear in the moment to be an exceptional overreaction — because by the time it looks like the steps you’re taking are appropriate, it will have been too late.” General tenor is “They probably should have known how bad things would get, but didn’t act early enough - and the rest of us don’t even have that excuse.”

EDIT: and a long New York Times piece exploring the mistakes in Italy - maybe the most detailed account I’ve seen:

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There’s almost certainly some coverage of this in their respective languages. We just can’t read them.

We have a number of German posters. I’m aware that, despite having a large number of cases, Germany has kept the mortality rate quite low compared to its neighbors. I wonder how they’ve managed that. German efficiency, I guess?

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In the week that followed the March 2 return to work, there were only five new cases in Hong Kong, most of which were imported. Numbers remained low until around March 16, when dozens of new cases were confirmed. It soon became clear that while the majority were coming from overseas, quarantine measures in place were not sufficient, and local transmission had resumed.

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Not sure I like that CNN article. Headline and tenor of article is along the lines of “Oh no, Hong Kong messed up and is now doomed!” But substance of article is mostly “Not out of the woods yet, because other cases are coming back in - they need to be careful.” I wish they’d provided more details on how much local transmission there is, and whether or not it’s been traced.

Trump predicts victory, ““It’s gonna be a victory that, in my opinion, will happen much sooner than originally expected,” Trump said at a 90-minute news conference with members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force.”

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This “coronavirus is a war and we are winning it” rhetoric is strikingly similar to Xi’s approach.

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Maybe china and the US are actually at war bombing each other. The chinese virus doesn’t exist and it’s a code word for war casualties. Nato allies joined late so they started to register casualties late. Italy was the first one to send troops but the commie sleeper cells in the illegal textile factories have been causing massive damage.

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Thanks for sharing whats in your head. :no_mouth::grin:

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(Ha, Ha. Would join in with this one, but I’m done with coronavirus for the day.)

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I was really shocked today at my uni. As they have been doing since term began, everybody has to have their temperature checked when entering. Today, however, you had to show your student/staff cards as well.
But that’s not what rendered me aghast.
During my breaks, I go to the bathroom to wash my hands. I’m fastidious about it. I do a seriously thorough job. While I’m cleaning away, a student joins me at the other basin and starts proceeding to do the same! I mean, the bloke is studiously scrubbing, nails and everything, for about a minute!
But despite having NEVER seen a local washing their hands with such scrutiny and intense concentration, that’s not what nearly caused my aneurysm.
Wait for it…

HE’S DOING IT WITHOUT FUCKING SOAP!

I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I’m shaking as I turn towards him.

Me: What are you doing?
Him: (Incredulous at my stupidity) I’m washing my hands!
Me: Well, you’ve just wasted a few minutes of your time.
Him: Why?
Me: No matter how well you scrub, if you’re not using soap, you’re wasting your time.
Him: (Astonished) Really?!
Me: Yes. Now do it again. This time with soap. And I’m going to watch you.

It’s as if he didn’t even know! :grimacing:

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I’m not so sure soap makes that much difference compared to washing with water only. But, I don’t want this to degenerate into a discussion similar to the effectiveness of masks.

Also, the student might have had some kind of dermatitis and was avoiding soap.

I think you need to lay off the kids in general, as you’re coming across as a bit of a bully.

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