So.what is your opinion now then given the graphs above ?
This whole statement is complete BS. starting with the false positive claims.
There are very little false positives only a lot of no more infectious positive. This false claim was first introduced by Cake here on this site posting a false scientific review where the wording was changed from infectious to infected.
Why would a false positive be a burden on the healthcare system?
Can you explain that?
A false positive breast cancer patient undergoing surgery, yes, I understand that, but a false covid positive? What are they going to do with him except sending him /her into quarantine.
This morning there was a piece on the BBC where they were talking about tending to patients in ambulances or hospital hallways for lack of beds. Thought they were talking about the old country. Nope, London.
Considering you are considered to have died of COVID even if you tested positive, then later on got run over by a bus, Iâd say those numbers are complete bollocks.
" For several months, the COVID-19 Data Dashboard has been reporting, for England, all deaths in people who have a positive test. This a robust measure as it uses the fact of a positive test and the fact of death to derive the number reported."
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Out of proportion BS.
Stop doing thins, it gets really tiring to debunk the obvious!
Ask Taiwanâs Health Minister, Chen Shi-zhong:
He said that the 12,475 false-positive cases would be hospitalized for about five to six days and would only be released from isolation after they tested negative twice consecutively, which would overwhelm healthcare capacity that should be preserved for people who actually need medical treatment.
So they are sending them to the hospital which they should not, just into quarantine.
Hospitals in London now under serious pressure due to covid explosion. See the stats and reports above.
1000 a day dying from it in the UK. Numbers are rocketing around Europe, probably the new varaint contributing.
Also,.Thereâs almost no influenza deaths now. So it takes covid an even more significant killer. Symptomatic are all being tested. They know they are dying from covid when suffering respiratory distress.
You canât die or get sick from a false positive.
You can die from covid infection though and many are.
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Charlie, Brian: you guys are simply talking about different things.
The current crisis in the UK, as Brian shows, is awful. And yes it is not being led by âfalse positives.â
But what Charlie is talking about is Taiwan CDCâs early strategy not to implement mass testing as a way to manage the impending crisis. There was great pressure to do so from the contrarian NTU professor and his team, which then collaborated with the Changhua health authorities in rogue manner. Minister Chen stuck to his guns and maintained that given Taiwanâs situation quarantine and contact tracing would do the job. More testing of arrivals was introduced later on as the severity of the situation in the Philippines, and then Indonesia, and now the UK has become apparent.
Different situations, different strategies. And I think weâd all agree that Taiwanâs CDC has so far been brilliant. I hope it stays that way!
Guy
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Surrealist
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And that would save lives, would it?
You seem to be relishing the prospect of Wuhan-style incarceration in the UK, from a safe distance of 6000 miles.
The NHS had a whole year to prepare for this. Their annual operating budget was 130 billion in 2019, and the government seems to be making unlimited funds available for them in 2020/1. With that amount of cash sloshing around, is it really that bloody difficult to cope with ⌠well, if itâs 1000 dying a day, thatâs perhaps 20000-30000 serious cases, spread over 1200 hospitals. So, um, 20 cases per hospital, on the average.
If hospitals are being âoverwhelmedâ, thereâs something seriously wrong with the management of hospitals.
As for lockdowns and government money-wasting : it brings to mind an Asimov story in which one of the characters is a thief/fence/smuggler type. Heâs justifying his lifestyle to his shipâs AI (as one does) and insists that, hey, at least heâs never killed anyone. He just steals and swindles. To which the robot replies: in fact, given the equivalence of money and life-hours, youâve killed 2.3 people.
Money does represent hours worked and resources used, in a very real sense. That half a trillion pounds spent so far represents (if you consult with life-insurance companies) about half a million lives completely erased from existence. And thatâs just the UK. Context: 6 million Jews were murdered during the course of WW2. To which the cheerleaders will respond: hey, those half-a-million taxpayers werenât gassed; and in any case they are âvirtual livesâ, spread thinly across the whole population. True. But the equivalent of 500,000 lives were rendered meaningless. A closer parallel, perhaps, might be lifelong debt bondage, spending oneâs life in chains.
The death toll from COVID-19 in the UK stands at 73,000. The government have âkilledâ seven times that number with their hamfisted interventions, and theyâll âkillâ a lot more before all this is done and dusted. Unless humanity outdoes itself - and thereâs another 80 years to go - this disgusting spectacle will go down in history as one of the most evil things done this century.
EDIT: found the exact numbers as of 3rd December.
| Mechanical Ventilation beds | ||
| Beds occupied | Beds occupied by confirmed COVID-19 patients | |
| England | 3,693 | 1,094 |
| Total beds | ||
| Beds occupied | Beds occupied by confirmed COVID-19 patients | |
| England | 113,058 | 12,896 |
So yeah. I was close. 13,000 CV19 patients. About a dozen per hospital. One CV19 patient on MV in each hospital. The majority of patients on MV are not there because of CV19. Of course, numbers have gone up since then, but it ought to be manageable.
âOverwhelmedâ my ass.
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Because the policy of Taiwan CD is to isolate every positive case in negative pressure isolation for 14 days and then only release on a further three consecutive negative tests.
Super spreader event for sure.
That article should be of interest even to lockdown fanatics, since it shows quite clearly, in his own words, that Matt Hancock has no freaking idea what âfalse positive rateâ means.
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Well thatâs not the policy in Europe and the US!
The burden there are covid true positives. People donât hang around hospitals for fun (except Taiwan 
).
Because CNN deboonked it.
Is it as much of a disaster in Ireland as theyâre reporting it?
Everybody is at extreme risk
They âcanât copeâ with the number of tests.
We know the virus is out of control
I canât believe itâs such a monumental clusterfuck. The media is surely exaggerating.