That annoys me. If some numbnuts who travels the world for a living is too stupid to get a vaccine, then he’s too stupid to sit in the cockpit of a massive jet.
Roll your sleeve up or fuck off.
A lot of the blame belongs with the Taiwanese government, they have done nothing to dispel the generally held belief amongst Taiwanese that the vaccine is dangerous and not necessary. They haven’t even managed to get health care worker to take it in decent numbers.
I believe this is intentional since they are favoring a locally created vaccine, over those that are already available, even though the local vaccine is going to be used before a phase III trial is conducted and only after a very small (4,000 people) phase II trial, so no one is going to know if it is effective or even safe in the real world.
At least the Mr. Chen and the Premier as well as city mayors have all taken the AZ shot so it’s something I guess.
President Tsai is currently waiting for a Taiwan vaccine.
I posted in the other thread a current study which confirms that Pfizer and Moderna are similarly affected by blood knot issue. The risk is tiny and is actually 10x greater when covid infection occurs in non-vaccinated.
All panic making is utterly irresponsible. People need to know the risks, but vaccines are safe.
Ridiculous
This needs to be repeated.
There’s a lot of people who can be blamed for vaccine hesitancy.
Macron and his idiotic comments
Social media for not removing antivax posts (yet I got a 5 day ban for calling an antivaxxer a numbnuts because it’s bullying)
The government for not dispelling the myth
The media for running with any antivax story they can and blowing them out of proportion
Antivaxxers themselves for outright lying—there is one antivaxxer who has actually started a fake medical journey to spout nonsense–The Primary Doctors Medical Journal, which on the surface looks legit and claims to be peer-reviewed, but it’s ran by one person and isn’t peer-reviewed at all.
Idiots who believe a youtube video from a channel that also has videos about how aliens built the pyramids over actual experts
I wish this study would have been published by an organization that didn’t have a vested interest in a specific vaccine. I do hope they are correct about the risk being 4 or 5 in 1 million, I have seen a lot lower figures from medical professionals that are highly regarded.
Just as an aside, I’m pro vaccine and will get the vaccine when my turn comes available, but I do think that it is important to not cut corners with safety trials, especially when there are already vaccines available that have completed Phase III trials.
Chen said that case No. 1,145 is a male contractor in his 40s who has been working for the Novotel Taipei Taoyuan International Airport hotel for nearly a month. […] On April 28, he began to experience a cough and went to a clinic for medical treatment on April 30. The health department then arranged for him to undergo a coronavirus test on May 1, and he tested positive for COVID-19 on May 3, with a Ct value of 13.
Okay, so even though the contractor worked for the hotel, he apparently wasn’t placed under home isolation. Instead, it sounds as if he could still visit a clinic on his own.
Chen stated that case No. 1,146 is an Indonesian woman in her teens who is a family member of an Indonesian cargo pilot in his 40s who was diagnosed in Australia, […] As she was listed as a contact of these cases, she was tested for the coronavirus on April 21, but the results came back negative. […] She began to develop a mild fever, runny nose, and sore throat on April 30 but did not report them because they were mild. Because more of her family members began to test positive for the virus, the health department arranged for her to undergo another coronavirus test as a precaution on May 2.
Shows again that the “self-health monitoring” probably will miss many cases.
CECC strengthens disease prevention and management measures for flight crews of foreign and Taiwanese airlines
PublishTime：2021-05-03
On May 3, the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) announced that in principle, flight crew members of foreign airline companies would be collectively quarantined at only one quarantine hotel which would be determined jointly by the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) and the Taoyuan City Government.
Regarding the quarantine hotel for crew members of Taiwanese airline companies, the CAA is in charge of determining a designated quarantine hotel, and the CAA has designated Novotel Taipei Taoyuan International Airport to offer quarantine rooms for crew members of Taiwanese airlines for the time being.
As always, panic is fueled by special interests… How can you explain doctors telling people not to vaccinate?!
Yes, most pilots haven’t vaccinated and you can’t force them. However, quarantine is not going to be a picnic anymore…check new regulations.
And talking about slips of the tongue, have a look at today’s presser by Super Mayor Ko. Aside from revealing a location of work of a case - oops, but happens to everyone, even minister Chen- he blamed Chunches Telecom for the brave escapee who traveled all the way to Kenting for a marathon. Seems there was a 3 hour delay in the system realizing man was gone/phone was off…
In summary, we do have a good system in theory. The human factor is what killing us.
That human factor is what leads people not to report their symptoms: fear, denial, you name it. No one wants COVID.
GET YOUR BOG ROLL SUPPLIES IN, WE’RE ALL ^%$#ED!!!
The start of this spread is stupefying stupid, the manager from Novotel went to local clinics “several times” before going to hospital and being diagnosed with pneumonia and the following day with Covid. At no point does the fact that he worked in a quarantine hotel seem to have been mentioned or triggered a ^%$ me moment…
Folks, remember to please wear your masks and please wash your hands. Protect yourselves and protect others—it’s win win if we do this right.
Guy
People going to clinics several times before finally being diagnosed seems to have been a common theme here since the start, yet there still seems to be reluctance to do more widespread testing (“here’s some unnecessary antibiotics and some omeprazole to protect your stomach from the harsh Western medicine, come back in 3 days for some more”).
I wonder whether they’ve tested the doctor, staff, and patients at the ENT clinic(s)? It seems like they’d be relatively high risk.
I suspect they would be the easy ones to contact trace.
I’d be amazed if they were not in 14 day isolation, unless the authorities determined that everyone was following protocol and wearing masks…
Guy
That was exactly my concern. I just didn’t see anything mentioned about those people in any of the articles.
Incidentally, one of the recent cases seems to have visited one of the Thai restaurants on Tingzhou Lu. It doesn’t appear to be my Thai restaurant on Tingzhou Lu, but I just walked by them on my way home to see whether they were deserted or closed for disinfection. The one I think it was seemed a lot quieter than usual (it’s often packed), but still open and with a decent crowd inside. Those people must be hard, if not impossible, to contact trace.
Do you have a link or source?
Guy
It’s from here, with the relevant part highlighted in bold. I’m not sure where this text came from – I assume some government department or another – my girlfriend forwarded it to me earlier today.
大台北地區確診者足跡公佈
1129永和區家人，3人確診，案1134-1136
ㄧ、兒子：案1134，男，30歲，台北市環貫綠佳利公司櫃台人員
一、病程發展
■4/29出現肌肉酸痛、咳嗽、喉嚨痛等症狀，無就醫
■4/30因案母確診，安排至永和耕莘醫院採檢，5/1檢驗陽性(CT值29)，後續送雙和醫院住院治療
二、活動史
■個案每日9點到18:30上班(環貫綠佳利公司：台北市忠孝東路一段66號，台北車站的新光人壽摩天大樓46樓)，搭乘公車262(永和區得和路→台北車站)
上、下班
■4/24 17：00～21：00與朋友2人至汀洲路泰式料理聚餐
■4/27 11：00～14：0與同事2人至臺北市光復北路巴雷巴雷印度餐廳聚餐：
三、接觸者
■公司：已轉介臺北市衛生局疫調
■朋友2人列自我健康監測、同事2人列居家隔離二、丈夫，案1135，男，66歲，退休人員
一、病程發展
■4/29出現咳嗽、喉嚨痛、發燒、腹瀉等症狀，無就醫
■4/30因案妻確診，安排至永和耕莘醫院採檢，5/1檢驗陽性(CT值18)，後續送三重聯醫住院治療
二、活動史
■個案平日獨住永和住家，案妻週末會返家同住(4/15～4/18，4/22～4/26)，飼養1隻邊境牧羊犬
■活動史同案妻
三、接觸者
■邊境牧羊犬1隻，今日已聯絡本市動保處協助安置照顧
■親友同案妻三、女兒，案1136，32歲，(玉山銀行：三重區中興北街)卡代經營部內勤工作
一、病程發展
■4/28起陸續出現喉嚨痛、發燒(4/29，當日請假未上班)、腹瀉等症狀，4/29至永和區蔡正平耳鼻喉科診所就醫
■4/30因案母確診，安排至永和耕莘醫院採檢，5/1檢驗陽性(CT值19)，後續送雙和醫院住院治療
二、活動史
■個案平日與其夫同住，4/22、4/25走路回案父母家，無共食，一起在客廳聊天約3小時，
上班方式：
走路→頂溪捷運站→古亭→西門→成都路公車站(可能是藍2、635、637)→先嗇宮站→走路→公司
■4/14～4/20
4/17至4/20與朋友(張0琇)花東行
4/17捷運頂溪→台北車站，台鐵普悠瑪上午8:48分412班次7車15號，在台東當地租摩托車
4/17入住鴻瑞輕旅一館
4/18入住知本金聯世紀酒店
4/19搭莒光號81班次8車38號到花蓮，在當地租摩托車，入住花蓮馥麗生活旅店
4/20普悠瑪225班次6車3號回台北，搭乘公車262返家
■4/22下班回案父母家、再到自家樓下全聯福利中心
■4/23下班回案父母家餵狗
■4/24回案父母家，與先生及同事到比樣廣場三合院吃港式飲茶及逛比樣廣場，走路到中和迪卡農逛2-3F約停留1小時，再走路回家並到全聯福利中心
■4/25回案父母家
■4/29自宅走到蔡正平耳鼻喉診所就診
■4/30因案母確診，安排採檢，5/1檢驗陽性(CT值29)，後續送雙和醫院住院治療
三、接觸者
■案夫：4/30採檢結果陰性
■今日（5/1）衛生局至診所及玉山銀行環境評估
1.公司：66人居家隔離
2.診所：４人(醫師、藥師、行政人員、工讀生)居家隔離，病人匡列範圍與中央確認中★案家、診所、比漾廣場、玉山銀行內外部環保局已消毒完成、5/2安排中和迪卡農外圍消毒
★公車及捷運已通知消毒
Hmmm. Nine days ago, a 30 year old male in Gongguan on a Saturday evening . . . Damn that could be just about anyone. 
Guy