Coronavirus - Taiwan 2021

[lunlan]

Elementary school student in Taichung tests positive. Student goes to school at Chongqing Elementary School (重慶國小).

More information on this case to be announced in tomorrow’s Taichung city presser.

快訊／台中重慶國小1學生確診 5/17起師生停課

Really close to where my friend works…

[OrangeOrganics]

They extended the number if days to get to level 4 to 14. This is at the whims of the bosses.

[babab00m]

@OrangeOrganics

They extended the number if days to get to level 4 to 14. This is at the whims of the bosses.

I am really not sure they did, I kind of remember that it was already like this last week, but I don’t have historical data for this (I just know that the CECC official made a mistake in the press conference).

Note that 7 days of data might be a reasonable base to make a different decision. Those levels are a simplification of epidemiologic models and those models evolve with incoming data and qualitative information.

In either case, 7 or 14 days, it will have zero effect on the decision they make today or tomorrow, so that does not really help your argument.

[ChewDawg]

@ChewDawg

Taiwan workforce relations is all about control.

Confucian hierarchies and a love of rote learning, paper qualifications and process.

If there is one great outcome from COVID, for many of us, it is that even future work, when things return to normal, will never go back to the way it was. In other words, it has impacted the future of work. Employers, in many locales, have seen things can still be done at home, that money can be saved on office real estate, and that productivity even increases. Workers love the savings on clothes, hygiene products, transport, etc. In a lot of countries, people are really thinking about relocating to hinterland areas where living is cheaper.

In my own circumstances, I have WFH now for 14 months.

When normal does return at the end of this year or slightly before, I will likely work outside of the nearest big city hub WFH two to three days a week. Maybe into the office 1 or 2 days a week. Even after COVID is past tense.

If this is prolonged in Taiwan, do you see work ever becoming that trust and outcome based? It would mean losing control in a society with no unions, where a lot of folk at the worker bee level are gormless to the extreme. Where asshats remain in the office until 9pm and are passive like eunuchs.

My guess-- fuck no. Taiwan SME bosses, even with cases going up, will retain to the old methods, and it could have high costs.

Taiwan, Vietnam and other quasi authoritarian countries did a great job in using that centralism to get on top of it early. But if cases rise and remain, will they adopt and change in workforce relations? Snowballs chance in hell.

As I thought. This is flexible? Some asshat deserves the Order of Lenin for this innovative thinking.

In an attempt to disperse commuters during rush hours and decrease the risk of COVID-19 spread, the DPGA announced Sunday that it will allow civil servants in the twin cities to arrive at their workplaces between 7:30-10:00 a.m. and leave between 4:30-7:00 p.m. It expressed hope that the new working arrangements will help reduce the number of people taking public transportation at the same time.
Taipei, New Taipei introduce flexible working hours for civil servants | Taiwan News | 2021-05-16 16:48:00

[nz]

@Wilkinson_Water

Anything else in the news like this?

No but that doesn’t not mean . The number of beds we’ve run out of does not match the number of cases. It is simple subtraction

[nz]

@Baobab

To be fair some of this (but not all) could be hypochondria. Taiwanese people (especially the old ones) seem to love going to the doctor.

I’m going to hope so. But why would they be taking up beds for covid if they’re not positive?

[Andrew]

@nz

No but that doesn’t not mean . The number of beds we’ve run out of does not match the number of cases. It is simple subtraction

Another user posted something similar to you somewhere upthread (a friend working in a hospital sharing something about a shocking number of positive results). Both anecdotal of course, but alarming nonetheless. Some things I find difficult to reconcile:

• I have no reason to believe that either you or the other regular poster would make this up, or that your friends would fake some evidence to convince you, so I’m inclined to tentatively believe these reports. If what you’re both reporting is true, it seems likely that it would be common knowledge in the medical community.
• If at least two Forumosans are receiving these reports, it seems likely that they’re being widely shared among Taiwanese and would ultimately reach the media.
• I assume that large numbers of positive test results at major hospitals would be shared with the CDC pretty quickly.
• I have no reason to believe that the CDC would conceal the information or not try to act quickly, given their efforts to date (especially if these reports are already being shared as suggested above). This seems to (i) suggest that we’ll hear something about it tomorrow (e.g., see a large surge in cases) and (ii) makes me confused why people are still heading off to work in a few hours (which would reflect badly on the CDC).

= “pulling the wool over your eyes”?

[Icon]

They are swamped for testing, panic folk, moving patients,…plus regular illness. Basically 12 hour shifts. They were tight before.

Taida doctor suggests avoiding going to hospital unless really necessary.

[nz]

@Andrew

= “pulling the wool over your eyes”?

That was the intention

@Icon

They are swamped for testing, panic folk, moving patients,…plus regular illness. Basically 12 hour shifts. They were tight before

I do hope you’re right

[Icon]

I also have doctor and nurse friends. Normal shifts are insane. Seeing 300 patients in a day is a regular thing.

[Icon]

For your perusal:

[Baobab]

Simpler version:

1. Stay home as much as you can.
2. When you go out, wear a mask.
3. Avoid coming into close contact with other people, especially over extended periods of time.

No app needed.

[Baobab]

Don’t think the other posters said that all of these people were being admitted? I’d guess there’s already high utilization of hospital beds to begin with. As we saw in other countries it doesn’t take a huge amount of cases to put severe strain on hospital systems.

[Andrew]

@Icon

For your perusal:

Thanks for posting. I just gave in and installed it.

@Icon

If you download the social distancing app, you could win 5000 NTD in coupons. 200 people will get 500 NTD.

However, I’d like to formally note that, if I read somewhere that these coupons aren’t available to foreigners, I’m going to delete the app in protest then spend a day riding around on the MRT without washing my hands once.

[afterspivak]

@Andrew

if I read somewhere that these coupons aren’t available to foreigners, I’m going to delete the app in protest then spend a day riding around on the MRT without washing my hands once

That . . . is probably not in your best interests.

Guy

[lostinasia]

@Icon

For your perusal:

Thanks for that @Icon. Is there a link for where that came from, just so I can bookmark it and refer back to it later? With this speed this thread moves, it’ll be buried pretty fast.

[tempogain]

You can bookmark a post with the icon under the ellipsis icon. Or through the direct link under the timestamp at top right.

[lostinasia]

@tempogain

You can bookmark a post with the icon under the ellipsis icon. Or through the direct link under the timestamp at top right.

Thanks - yeah, I know how to do that for specific posts, but I was also hoping to have a look at the source (which may have other useful information). Plus I’m unsure how “stable” links to specific posts are - do they persist if the thread gets broken up or renamed?

[OrangeOrganics]

Taiwan bosses are not going to let the government force working from home, and in the end it’s going to slow everything down

[Marco]

Look, I’m down for a good antidiscrimination fight, but this is not the time and place for it. Especially when it is a raffle to begin with.