Coronavirus Vaccine in Taiwan - May/June 2021

[Andrew]

@BeachBum

While I agree that the risk of blood clots is minimal compared to the dangers of Covid19, I don’t understand were people are getting the 1 in a million number that is being thrown out here. The UKs own numbers out this week show that cases are 1 in 95,000 and the numbers in Canada are even worse at around 1 in 50,000 for the AZ vaccine.

Where are you getting your numbers from? The page you linked to seems to say the following:

This safety update report is based on detailed analysis of data up to 28 April 2021. At this date, an estimated 11.4 million first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and 22.6 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccine had been administered, and around 8.1 million and 5.9 million second doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca vaccine respectively. An approximate 0.1 million first doses of the Moderna vaccine have also now been administered.

So 28.5 million doses of the AZ vaccine administered in total.

Up to 28 April 2021, the MHRA had received Yellow Card reports of 242 cases of major thromboembolic events (blood clots) with concurrent thrombocytopenia (low platelet counts) in the UK following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. These events occurred in 141 women and 100 men aged from 18 to 93 years and the overall case fatality rate was 20% with 49 deaths. Six cases have been reported after a second dose.

So 242 blood clots and 49 deaths potentially associated with the AZ vaccine.

That seems to be about 8.5 in a million blood clots and 1.7 in a million fatal blood clots, no?

(Or 10.7 in a million blood clots and 2.2 in a million fatal blood clots if just considering first doses - seems that up to March 31 all of the reported cases occurred after the first dose.)

[BeachBum]

242 cases out of 22.6 million vaccines given is 1 case per 93,388.42, for convenience I rounded up.

[gnaij]

1 in a million was referring to deaths not blood clots.

It’s 28.5 million shots total (you need to add the second shot) and 1.7 in a million deaths in the UK’s latest data.

[Andrew]

@gnaij

It’s 28.5 million shots total (you need to add the second shot) and 1.7 in a million deaths in the UK’s latest data.

I’m actually not sure about that part. It seems from what I posted above that the blood clots are (almost?) always occurring after the first shot, in which case it may make more sense to just look at first shots (because anyone who didn’t have an issue with the first shot appears to be safe for the second).

[slawa]

On May 6, the Central Epidemic Command Center announced that that beginning May 10, the government-funded COVID-19 vaccine would be available to individuals in the seventh priority group, i.e., members of the armed forces and civilian personnel in military agencies and national security units, and individuals in the eighth priority groups, i.e., people aged 65 and above.

Individuals eligible for the vaccine at this stage can schedule a vaccination online or via phone at a healthcare facility designated for COVID-19 vaccination or eligible individuals can visit a designated healthcare facility, present their National Health Insurance Card and other necessary identity documents, and get the vaccine after the doctor’s assessment.

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/tWJpHYlXTvC1iLb1LhZZug?typeId=158

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/Bulletin/Detail/3ktedtR2f4e5Yrv_9itHHw?typeid=9

people aged 65 and above.

Most Formosan can get the subsidized vaccine!

[Brianjones]

@slawa

When you vaccinate entire population of Taiwan there will be hundreds of deaths from side effects.

That seems way too high estimate.

[slawa]

How so? Alone from rare blood knots I get 200+

[Aikaili]

I’m at Far East waiting for the jab. I brought some ice for after the injection.

[slawa]

Side effects start like 12 hours after the vaccine is administered.

[Brianjones]

Hundreds of deaths ?It’s maybe 2 or 3 blood clot deaths per million .
As for the side effects from allergies, need to review that .

[Brianjones]

You won’t feel anything straight after. And I don’t know if ice can do anything, maybe.
It’s more a soreness inside the muscle over the next few days. Hardly feel anything at all at the time.

[slawa]

So far studies came to slightly different numbers.
Most are between 5 and 10 per million.

@Wikipedia

In very rare cases (around 1 in 100,000 people) the vaccine can lead to blood clots in combination with low levels of blood platelets. The UK MHRA as of 14 April 2021 report an overall case incidence of thromboembolic events with concurrent low platelets of 7.9 per million doses (less than 1 in 100,000 people).

[Brianjones]

Important to focus on deaths not events.

[Aikaili]

I didn’t feel the injection at all. My arm feels weird but so far so good.

[Icon]

The nurse told me not to scratch it and to let the band aid fall by itself better.

Pain was not immediate for me.

[BeachBum]

I think cases of blood clots are also important, these are blood clots in the brain, just because a case doesn’t die doesn’t mean they don’t have terrible lasting side effects. Unfortunately, the reports I have seen do not go into what the lasting impact of the clots are for the patients that get them.

[Marco]

@Taiwan_Luthiers

(none of whom will even acknowledge me)

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Tried with one girl, but she was not interested in a conversation. Actually no one there was.

You’re trying to hit people up at the hospital?

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

I’m feeling much better but there are still some joint pain and pain at the injection site.

[SuperS54]

Just got my free vaccine about an hour ago, all good so far. Advise avoiding booking it in a morning appointment in Wanfang hospital, afternoon might be alright. For the morning you do the registration, doctor visit and pay, then have to come back at 1.30 in the afternoon to queue up again for the injection! Also the morning doctor is shared between her normal clinic and the Vaccine clinic so the normal clinic gets priority and when she has no patients waiting dashes across the hall to the vaccine clinic to see patients there…

[Belgian_Pie]

I’m really amazed how many of you already got vaccinated.