😷 COVID - Do you support implementing vaccine passports?

[yyy]

@McNulty

The neckline on dude’s sweater is too low as well, really. Someone should have said something.

What, the Russell Brand look is outré now?

[McNulty]

I’m probably the last person to ask about anything fashion related. We just wear full on Adidas trackies with headbands out here.

(Assuming by look you mean the shirt/jacket combo, not the aggressive staring)

[KHHville]

@Brianjones

But who will pay the insurance premiums for the added risk ?
Will passengers boards ships where half the passengers are unvaccinated?
Do the staff have a right to not work then , or should be required to vaccinate and then work otherwise they will be a risk ?
This is why you need some kind of record of vaccination .

What about signing a [COVID-19] waiver form like when you go bungee jumping or parachuting if transportation/travel firms absolutely want to get back to normal?

[yyy]

I meant general disheveledness plus male cleavage.

Oh, genuinely sorry – I didn’t watch the video when I posted that. It actually is Russell Brand! At least he’s totally nailing his own look!

[yyy]

Yes, or like when you don’t have an onward ticket and an airline wants your credit card number “just in case” you get refused entry to the destination country, but there’s no way in Hell you’re giving it to them (so they have you sign a waiver).

[finley]

@yyy

not big enough to be a major historical event.

You have got to be kidding me. Have you not been following the (subsequent) news on Russia’s little bouts of expansionism? They made that little point for a reason.

@yyy

No, I still do not see any “end of history” here, despite Covid being a bitch (which it also is in the East btw).

Fair enough. Although I wasn’t suggesting it’s going to end. It’s going to be different, and not in a new-golden-age way.

@yyy

Yes, or like when you don’t have an onward ticket and an airline wants your credit card number “just in case” you get refused entry to the destination country, but there’s no way in Hell you’re giving it to them (so they have you sign a waiver).

I imagine insurance companies could realise a very large stream of income over the next couple of years via COVID indemnity payments from people who refuse to take the vaccine but still wish to travel. It’s surely only a matter of time before they latch onto that one. Whether it happens depends on who wins the backroom squabble for profits.

Assuming this COVID passport BS ever happens, it’ll inevitably turn into another pointless ritual like throwing your water bottle away at security.

[KHHville]

the actuaries are hard at work calculating the #s

[finley]

One hand on the keyboard and one hand down their pants.

[dan2006]

I honestly don’t think this covid passport will really fly (no pun intended) as it is trivial to say you have adverse reaction to vaccines or its against your religion of pastafarianism or whatever and I’m sure exemptions will be given whether valid or not.
Look how many people were bringing comfort animals onto planes for years before they finally caught on

That said I could see certain countries insisting on the vaccine; others like Mexico never cared about tourists coming in even during the height of the pandemic.

[finley]

Yeah, it did occur to me that a whole bunch of people simply can’t take the vaccine for safety reasons. The vaccine was never tested on pregnant women, for example. The goal of vaccinating absolutely everybody (and issuing them with a certificate) is not just misguided and pointless, it’s not practically feasible.

Are there any religions that are fervently anti-vax? I think I’ll sign up.

[dan2006]

Even Trudeau said there will have enough vaccines for those that want them. From what I remembered 80% or so are expected to take it, they figure 20% won’t, the excess will be donated to other countries.

[finley]

@dan2006

the excess will be donated to other countries.

Ah, at least we know where Taiwan’s vaccine supply is coming from, then …

I think I’ll get a letter from the doctor that says I’m trying to conceive. Don’t judge me.

[Mithrandir]

Does Taiwan have some rule on people who come here who are vaccinated? I’m planning on getting the vaccine soon and am wondering if I’ll still have to go through the 14 + 7 + 1 ordeal again.

[dan2006]

So far no new info on the reduction of the quarantine time as far as I heard.

[afterspivak]

@Mithrandir

Does Taiwan have some rule on people who come here who are vaccinated?

Dan is correct.

So far, the Taiwan authorities have viewed vaccination and mandatory quarantine as separate matters.

The only variable affecting quarantine as I understand it is whether you are arriving from a what is deemed to be a low risk country or jurisdiction; an exception has been made for the families of victims of the recent TRA crash.

The latest update from the CDC is from April 7, with the following list (subject to change):

1. Low-risk countries/regions: New Zealand, Macao, Palau, Fiji, Brunei, Laos, Nauru, the Marshall Islands, Bhutan, Australia, Singapore, Vietnam.
2. Medium-risk countries/regions: Cambodia, Hong Kong.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/FXahd0Bv0MjkLfgVSIpguQ?typeid=158

Guy

[yyy]

@finley

You have got to be kidding me. Have you not been following the (subsequent) news on Russia’s little bouts of expansionism? They made that little point for a reason.

I’m reading this as you saying Russia now has carte blanche to annex former Soviet territories specifically because the gas dispute a few years before Crimea demonstrated Russia’s superpowers or something… I don’t quite see it that way, but whatevs. We’re way off topic anyway.

@finley

Fair enough. Although I wasn’t suggesting it’s going to end. It’s going to be different, and not in a new-golden-age way.

But you did make a direct comparison to Fukuyama’s bs, and you did say words to the effect of “China has won” and speak of it being too late even for an “honourable suicide” by the West…

Go ahead and revise that to a mere life-as-we-know-it-is-over, if you like. Life as we knew it before 9/11 is also over, and life as we knew it before AIDS is also over, and so on… History continues in spite of everything. And the West still leads by most measures.

In global chessboard terms, Covid is a complication for both sides, not a suicide move by one.

[finley]

@yyy

But you did make a direct comparison to Fukuyama’s bs, and you did say words to the effect of “China has won” and speak of it being too late even for an “honourable suicide” by the West…

Whut? I think you’re reading stuff that you want to see in a Finley post.

And the West still leads by most measures. In global chessboard terms, Covid is a complication for both sides, not a suicide move by one.

Fair enough. Let’s see how it pans out.

[yyy]

@finley

Whut? I think you’re reading stuff that you want to see in a Finley post.

Recently I remarked that Comrade F is my favorite person to disagree with.

The End of Western Civilization

So a couple of decades ago, Francis Fukuyama famously pronounced: “with the ascendancy of Western liberal democracy—which occurred after the Cold War (1945–1991) and the dissolution of the Soviet Union (1991)—humanity has reached not just … the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government”. Well, there’s one…

Have I lost the plot?

@discobot fortune

[discobot]

Signs point to yes

[yyy]

And with that, I humbly vow not to derail this “International Travel” thread any further.