just a thought here; ok we all know 800 shekels an hour isn’t much for teaching “special skills”. but it is a hell of a lot more rewarding to teach something you’re passionate about than just plain convo-eng. i taught jazz piano for a while and loved it; pay was shit since school paid me same as local teachers and took 33% cut. but sometimes it’s ok to look beyond the bottom line and share more than just your ability to conjugate past perfect continuous…
800NT an hour is just fine. I am sure that you would be able to find people with special skills who have just arrived in Taiwan. They would be very happy to do something like this at your price.
lalalala800lalalalastarting wagelalalalala1000lalalalaregular wagelalalalalabonus systemlalalalalalala…
I am not worried about the money guys. I am not at liberty to give out details, but money will not be an issue for those that trust me.
ToeLalalas
I believe that $800NT is pretty good pay, for any kind of teaching. Add on transportation, and you’re at the top of the English teaching pile. Of course, if you’re a really good teacher, then you can always arrange your own classes for more money, but I would like to hear what schools out there are offering more than $800NT/hr for adult conversation classes. I think we have many qualified teachers that would be interested in finding out.
[quote=“Toe Save”]lalalala800lalalalastarting wagelalalalala1000lalalalaregular wagelalalalalabonus systemlalalalalalala…
I am not worried about the money guys. I am not at liberty to give out details, but money will not be an issue for those that trust me.
ToeLalalas[/quote]
You need to learn to keep some things “in your pocket” 
Share the profits. Just re-reading I see mention of a bonus system, which might make a hell of a difference. But for the sake of your own credibility you should mention that beforehand. Actually no, you shouldn’t really discuss the money at this stage.
I mean, somebody comes to you with an idea for a course that should be taught to 50 people at one time, all paying top dollar. You going to offer him 800/hr to start? Same with this 2.5hrs x 12 weeks idea. Where did that come from? Some courses are not suitable for that format either.
Boxes, dude. Boxes.
Instead of “whaddya got? will it fit this format? this is what it’s worth.” How about “Whaddya got? Wow, how can we package this? How much do you think we can get for it?” I’ve spent my life resisting being compartmentalised. Being told what I’m worth, and what my motivations are, is not going to work. Square boxes are for sticking into round holes.
Good answer on the course development issue though. Are you saying that you won’t expect to own the copyright after paying someone to write it?
[quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“Toe Save”]lalalala800lalalalastarting wagelalalalala1000lalalalaregular wagelalalalalabonus systemlalalalalalala…
I am not worried about the money guys. I am not at liberty to give out details, but money will not be an issue for those that trust me.
ToeLalalas[/quote]
You need to learn to keep some things “in your pocket” [/quote]
My pockets are replete. As will my bank accounts be. I have more secrets than SYSs. And most of my secrets are yet to be thought even.
Like Gandalf, I can intuit the outcome.
ToeMiMis
Share the profits. Just re-reading I see mention of a bonus system, which might make a hell of a difference. But for the sake of your own credibility you should mention that beforehand. Actually no, you shouldn’t really discuss the money at this stage.
I mean, somebody comes to you with an idea for a course that should be taught to 50 people at one time, all paying top dollar. You going to offer him 800/hr to start? Same with this 2.5hrs x 12 weeks idea. Where did that come from? Some courses are not suitable for that format either.
Boxes, dude. Boxes.
Instead of “whaddya got? will it fit this format? this is what it’s worth.” How about “Whaddya got? Wow, how can we package this? How much do you think we can get for it?” I’ve spent my life resisting being compartmentalised. Being told what I’m worth, and what my motivations are, is not going to work. Square boxes are for sticking into round holes.
Good answer on the course development issue though. Are you saying that you won’t expect to own the copyright after paying someone to write it?[/quote]
Gotta run out the door Strag, but copyright is as I said. You own it. Now, how do I ensure that I retain ownership of my members?
More later guys…
ToeScoots
[quote=“Toe Save”][quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“Toe Save”]lalalala800lalalalastarting wagelalalalala1000lalalalaregular wagelalalalalabonus systemlalalalalalala…
I am not worried about the money guys. I am not at liberty to give out details, but money will not be an issue for those that trust me.
ToeLalalas[/quote]
You need to learn to keep some things “in your pocket” [/quote]
My pockets are replete. As will my bank accounts be. I have more secrets than SYSs. And most of my secrets are yet to be thought even.
Like Gandalf, I can intuit the outcome.
ToeMiMis[/quote]
ToeWizard,
Fair enough, but the “not worried about the money” is a bit hard to swallow. If you are in charge you should always be worried about the money.
[quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“Toe Save”][quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“Toe Save”]lalalala800lalalalastarting wagelalalalala1000lalalalaregular wagelalalalalabonus systemlalalalalalala…
I am not worried about the money guys. I am not at liberty to give out details, but money will not be an issue for those that trust me.
ToeLalalas[/quote]
You need to learn to keep some things “in your pocket” [/quote]
My pockets are replete. As will my bank accounts be. I have more secrets than SYSs. And most of my secrets are yet to be thought even.
Like Gandalf, I can intuit the outcome.
ToeMiMis[/quote]
ToeWizard,
Fair enough, but the “not worried about the money” is a bit hard to swallow. If you are in charge you should always be worried about the money.[/quote]
Oh, I see I am muddying the waters again. Damn my succintness. I am not in charge of the money. From what I have seen of the people that are, I am not worried about compensation for myself or my team. It will be structured in such a way that the more your courses make the company, the more you will make. Therefore…
MeiToe Wenti (Cunning Linguist thread nominee?)
So above NT800/hour is not guaranteed. It depends on (a) completion (subject to demand?) (b) member feedback (c) eligibility (means what?)
Regarding the copyright issue, I’ve been paid to write materials for several language schools, and in EVERY case they have demanded the copyright. I mean, suppose Strag writes a steaming porn course that packs in students. Is any sane boss not going to want to retain (or copy) the course once Strag goes elsewhere? When you say “commissioned”, do you mean you are going to pay someone to write something that you’ll never own?
Stay out of publishing.
CQAdvises
Boxes, by my definition, are the boxes our students and employers keep us in. How many of us have had the chance to explore the possibilties that exist outside these imposed “boxes” of ours? I came close to it at ChitChat, but the AntiBuddha made sure that we stayed in his tight little box and well…check out the prices of the activities being offered there. Nice box there AntiBuddha. :bravo: :loco: :bravo:
Therefore:
I know this. I have not indicated otherwise, have I? We want you to develop the dream course(s). Do not limit your creativity but such binding notions as budget or schedule constraints. If your course needs to be done on a golf course in Japan, create it, budget it, and submit it. We will try and sell it.
As for starting at $800; every job I’ve ever had remunerated on a probationary scale for at least 3 months. In Taiwan, it is usually a month of training and 2 of probationary, but of course, an adept negotiater can wiggle out of such details. Our "training/probationary period is 24 hours.
“Twelve 2 1/2 hour classes” is the model we are basing our costing on. For now. It may be scrapped in a week. It may be scrapped tomorrow night, when you and others, sated on pie and gassed on grog, set the perfect idea in motion. Right now, it is a model, an idea.
Let me say this…everyone involved on this end realizes the need to proceed cautiously. No one is rushing. We want to hear from you. This is a very important phase in our development. But development is the stage we are in. Nothing more than brainstorming right now.
Our mandate, in most simplistic of terms, is to be the catalyst to bring ESL pros and locals needing English experiences together.
As our locals are the cream of their crop, we want to introduce them to the cream of Tw’s ESL crop. Does that describe you? Come have pizza.
Ummm…we are? Did I indicate anything to the contrary? I want “Wow!” to be my first response. I want my second to be “Now, how do we make this happen?” Inner circle stuff, but suffice it to say that to a certain degree, you will determine your own worth.
Doy-ah!
Thanks pal…I am sensing some residual pockets of love out there on the hill.
ToeSwoons
I will, if you stay outta this thread. In future, I will be reading this and only this from you:
I couldn’t teach it, but how about cooking or gardening?
Not quite as exciting as the sailing, mountain climbing, scuba diving trips people are getting excited about, but they say its the simple pleasures.
Add another knob of this, a splash of that, a pinch of the other.
And as for the greenery, well this country is bursting with plants and flowers of all sorts of fantastic descriptions. Do the teaching courses all have to be about adrenalin (spelling was never my strong point).
[quote=“Toe Save”]“Twelve 2 1/2 hour classes” is the model we are basing our costing on. For now. It may be scrapped in a week. It may be scrapped tomorrow night, when you and others, sated on pie and gassed on grog, set the perfect idea in motion. Right now, it is a model, an idea.
Let me say this…everyone involved on this end realizes the need to proceed cautiously. No one is rushing. We want to hear from you. This is a very important phase in our development. But development is the stage we are in. Nothing more than brainstorming right now. [/quote]
So, in short, contributors have absolutely no guarantee they will receive any remuneration for their courses, or that those courses will meet the approval of Herr Direktor.
And how exactly is it “brainstorming” when your course materials are entirely predicated on the submissions of others, for which they receive…pizza?
How often do you get an invitation to a job interview where the employer offers beer, pizza and a chance to put forward your ideas about how YOU WANT to do your job? I put together a rough sketch of what I envision for myself. I didn’t type out a detailed lesson plan and I don’t imagine anybody expected me to. Cheers.
But how is it a job interview? There is no job. The “job” depends entirely on your ability to write something marketable, and BDC’s ability to sell it. Without you, this venture is nothing more than hot air.
Anyway, we’ll see. Are you gonna be there?
P.S. Toe - I like Pinapple on my Pizza, and can little mrs. bob come?
ToeSave,
I wish you the very best of luck in this venture. I hope you turn ESL around on its ear and that you rake in the loot. But I have a hard time picturing this as a viable business. Have you sat down and gone over the business aspects of this project?
I don’t want to shoot you down as you sound very passionate about what you are doing…and that’s a good thing. But frankly speaking, I would not want to base a whole program based on little pieces of courses glued together under an umbrella company.
I just hope that you sit down and go over the mechanics of how this is going to work.
I have too many questions to write them all down here. But here’s a simple one.
Okay, we have a sailing course. That’s a great idea but just make sure you have every person stepping on that boat insured. You are going to need extra coverage when you start taking students outside like that.
This is just a fraction of stuff you are going to have to concern yourself with.
[quote=“Durins Bane”]I have too many questions to write them all down here. But here’s a simple one.
Okay, we have a sailing course. That’s a great idea but just make sure you have every person stepping on that boat insured. You are going to need extra coverage when you start taking students outside like that.
This is just a fraction of stuff you are going to have to concern yourself with.[/quote]
The insurance shouldn’t be a problem. That’s a standard matter for any kind of group outing here. The adminisrrative staff can attend to that in a trice with a routine phone call, e-mail or fax to their insurance company.