Dangerous creatures in Taiwan

Apart from driving a scooter in the big cities, Taiwan is a pretty safe country. You’re not too likely to run into too many drunken pub brawls or get mugged at the train station, or snaffled by a shark down at Fu Long (not sure why, maybe they’ve been fished out), but there are a few dangerous things around that you need to watch out for. One of them, as I discovered, is the Asian giant hornet. From what I can understand there are two varieties in Taiwan - one is called hu tou fong or tiger head hornet, the other, tu fong or ground hornet, so named because it builds its nest on the ground (the hu tou fong nests in trees). The tu fong is the biggest, but both of them are potentially lethal, whether you are allergic to bee stings or not. Everyone is allergic to the tu fong - it’s like being allergic to snake bite. They have a non-barbed sting, meaning they can sting repeatedly.

How to identify one: They are orange and black and brown and big-assed. The biggest hornet in the world. They don’t have that distinct streamlined hornet abdomen, but are more cigar-shaped, with a broad orange head.

Geographical Distribution: Technically, they could be anywhere in the mountains in Taiwan, though I have only seen them in Taitung, where they are plentiful. They tend to nest in the mountains, so hikers are particularly at risk.

Active Season: summer to early winter - the latter end is when their nest is getting to its zenith - meaning there are more of them and they are more territorially agressive.

What to do if you see one: Just one flying around by itself is unlikely to attack you (other insects, especially bees, not so lucky). Most likely it is in forage mode, though they are curious and fearless, being at the top of their food chain, so they will buzz you. In this instance, the advice is to not flail your arms around, but crouch down and move quietly out of its way. It worked for me on a daily basis during Nov.
If you are unlucky enough to come across their nest, you’re probably already stuffed by the time you see it. There is different advice ranging from get down and don’t move, to the crouch and move away, to ‘Run!’ I’d go for the 2nd or 3rd. If you do get stung, I’d definitely run, just to get yourself clear of their nest protective zone. They will reportedly release a pheremone with the sting in order to mark you for additional attacks, but I ran, more like tumbled down the mountain and after the initial sting, no others followed. To get stung by one is bloody painful, but three or four of them and you’re getting into the lethal dose range.

The symptoms: For me, and this seems fairly typical: strong pain, immediate, prounounced swelling, slurred speech, shortness of breath, nausea, and faintness. The last two came on about 20-30 minutes after the sting. The feeling like I was about to faint (I didn’t, in the end) is the scariest because when you’ve heard they can be fatal, you don’t want that ‘fading to black’ thing happening too much. That stage seemed to pass after about 15-10 minutes, but it continues to hurt like hell for a good four hours, wherupon it dies down to a more reconizable level of pain for another six hours.

What to do if you get stung: The first thing is remove yourself from the area as quickly as possible to avoid further stings. If you get stung, it will almost certainly be because you are close to their nest, even if you can’t see it. With the tu fong, there is literally a squadron of guards standing-by in formation around the perimeter of the nest. You need to GTFA as quickly as you can. 50 metres seemed to be enough,though you’ll probably feel like erring on the side of caution. If the wave of nausea comes, try to hang on and ride it out. Don’t panic, it’s a normal reaction and it will pass - unless you’ve been stung a bunch of times, in which case you will probably need assistance to move and promt medical attention. I like to hike alone, but hiking with a friend does make sense. So does a charged cell phone and telling someone where you are going.

Even if you’ve only been stung once, you should seek medical attention. They will give you an anti-histamine shot and hopefully some kick-ass pain killers.

I’d love to hear from anyone who has had any experience with dangerous creatures in Taiwan. I believe there is a spider that can give a nasty, though not fatal bite, plenty of deadly snakes - land and sea, mega-centipedes, ticks, fire ants, wild pigs, bears (the Taiwan Black Bear is known to be aggressive) - not to mention city man-made dangers like thinking anyone is going to give a stuff about those flashing yellow lights or thick white lines painted on the road that look exactly like a pedestrian crossing - why have them? How much money could be saved in paint and electricty by just abolishing them? What could be done with that money?

video of local hunters raiding a tu fong nest: youtube.com/watch?v=IZRiM0LuQEQ

I just hunted down this video to see what they look like. Damn! They look almost as big (and ugly) as potato bugs!

xfactor-leona.com/video_KQjWKeIw … ornet.html

Great, fascinating post dulandrift. Nicely done.

Just curious, how did you end up in Dulan?

Is it any of these guys?

gaga.biodiv.tw/new23/cp03_77.htm

EDIT: Apparently the one in the video (with the honey trap) is the Asian giant hornet (Vespa mandarinia).

Shit ! Man alive. Another reason Im glad I never ventured into the jungles in Taiwan :slight_smile:

except you’re not ‘allergic’ to them, you are suffering a severe venom reaction from being injected with poison. Some people become allergic after being stung repeatedly, but the number is small. Even allergic people will react to the venom, but allergic individuals will ALSO suffer an allergic reaction, which is quite different to the venom effects.

The wasps (like some other but not all kinds) vigorously attack any animal that gets close to the nest, so running away is a good idea. Staying close to the nest is only asking for more stings.

And of course there are other kinds of dangerous animal in Taiwan. Can you please describe the effects of a Russell viper bite next? Thanks.

Got stung by one of those ground hornets in the hills back of MuDan about 18 months ago. I was closing in on the summit at about 500 meters altitude and their nest was underground right on the path. I was lucky to get just one sting like a red hot needle jabbed into my calf. I hurried out of the vicinity as I noticed several others flying around. They were reddish and stubby shaped not like the paper wasp or other kinds of wasps. Apparently, they sometimes confuse perfume, shampoo and other manufactured scents as pheromones that summon the swarm into attack mode, so hikers should keep that in mind!

Several years ago I had a large black caterpillar fall on my neck which I noticed had mild stinging hairs.

I think the average hiker needs to also be wary of snakes at lower altitudes, bees and wasps and various poisonous plants.

Believe it or not, but the Giant Asian hornets are also in the Southeast US as well. I was the first known person in my area to get stung by them, once on the arm, and the other right between the eyes. When I caught sight of my first one I had no idea what it was, maybe a gigantic yellow jacket, but either way I wanted to kill it. So my brothers and I (I was only around 10 or so) followed it to a log which I immediately started beating with stick and the damn thing flew out and stung me on the arm. I really don’t remember it hurting too terribly bad, no worse than our local red wasps, but it did piss me off. So my brothers and I stood back from what we thought was a safe distance and started the rock throwing, and the next part I remember clearly. I guess that log had became a nest and I had pissed them off enough so a few fly out and headed straight for my head. I dodged one or two I guess, but one got me right between the eyes with another getting my little brother on the leg. Fortunately though, during this mini-battle one of us actually killed a hornet so after hiding for a bit we went back and collected the dead one for proof, but by that time I could barely see since my eyes had nearly swollen shut. So we rush home through the woods and my mother had heard my brothers screaming so she was waiting at the door as usual to see what happened this time, but instead of her usual reaction of mixing a little spit with tobacco to put on stings she actually said it’s time to go to the hospital.

She didn’t believe us that it was only a “bee”, until my brother produced the dead but still-stinging specimen and off we went to the hospital and by the time I got there I could not see a thing and my head looked like a basketball. No one at the time new what the hornet was so it was sent off to the University of GA for identification. Even got my pic in the paper for this. There’s my minute of fame for you.

The scientific name is Vespa Mandarinia. You can get a good view from the video I made - towards the end. It’s collected by local hunters to make a rice wine based energy enhancing alcoholic drink. Supposedly it was used as a training supplement by a female Japanese Olympic marathon winner - presumably without the rice wine.

cjc444, I have heard that they’re in the south east of America, but would like to see a picture. It would seem possible - you’d just need a couple of stow-aways on a shipping container. You said it didn’t hurt too much - but that wasn’t my experience.

I’d been escaping down to Taitung ever since I first started living in Taipei - finally I made the move. It’s great - like hippie heaven.

Thanks urodacus for the distinction between ‘allergic reaction’ and ‘reaction to the poison’ - I wasn’t sure about that - I just assumed if my throat was swelling up like I’d swallowed a junior size football that I was having an allergic reaction of some kind.

I don’t know much about the snakes of Taiwan, though I would like to - hopefully without the first hand experience. The Russel viper is high on the list of snakes that causes the most fatalities throughout the world. The 100 pacer (another kind of viper) is the one people seem to fear around here because they are said to be aggressive if distrubed. I commonly see the one with the distinct black and white stripes (banded krait) around my home - not aggressive, but very poisonous - though supposedly there is no pain associated with the bite - you just feel sleepy then wake up dead.

I frequently go into jungle here and have done for many years.

I never use soap or anti deodrant for a few days previous to hiking.
I always wear long trousers and a long sleeved shirt (never shorts and short sleeves).
I always wear a hat
I always take a full charged cell phone and have key numbers such as mountain resuce and foreign affairs police keyed in.
I always have a knife
I always have water
I always take some high sugar eddibles
I always take a whistle
I always take an extra warm piece of clothing that I put in my bag
I usually take some basic first aid items such as iodine etc

Probably a few other things too; sometmes I take a compass making note of which direction I want to be heading if I get lost. Marking trees is a good idea too hence the knife. When I first came here I got lost for two days in the mountains and no one knew I was even out there. Don’t make the same mistake. Luckily I kept going down down down and I found a road.

Most importantly don’t forget your phone water and snack food.

My list is similar but I don’t bring a whistle. I don’t think anyone would give a fuck if you were whistling, cell phone is a must. I also carry a good military issued raincoat poncho even on the sunny days, a solar blanket, some rope, a really good walking stick (I use bamboo on my daily hikes but it shouldn’t be too old or too young and a real nice aboriginal walking stick for the long hikes) Bert’s bugs spray keeps away mostly everything, I also have some USMC issued “jungle juice” which I suspect will alter your DNA but it keeps everything away and lasts a long time.

Nice advice thanks. I like the raincoat one. Probably one of the motorcycle water proofs would be good as well. Very light but could wrap yourself up in it.
Well you are probably right about the whistle but I take one anyway as my dog always goes with me and he obeys commands from it. Solar blanket? Awesome idea except I would not know where to get one from. Camping shop I guess; are they expensive?

Nice advice thanks. I like the raincoat one. Probably one of the motorcycle water proofs would be good as well. Very light but could wrap yourself up in it.
Well you are probably right about the whistle but I take one anyway as my dog always goes with me and he obeys commands from it. Solar blanket? Awesome idea except I would not know where to get one from. Camping shop I guess; are they expensive?[/quote]
The other thing that I absolutely ALWAYS carry is waterproof matches (the camping stores will have them) in an old 35mm film canister and fire starter. The best fire starter going is a small ziplock bag of dryer lint. It’s easy to get, free, weighs next to nothing, and burns really nicely for longer than you’d imagine. A small knife and water treatment tablets round out my 10 essentials.

This is a great page on the subject of the Mountaineers’ Ten Essentials lists you’ve probably heard about: http://www.mountaineersbooks.org/client/client_pages/Media%20Archives/mtn_media_TenEssentials.cfm

Fenlander, would love to hear how you got lost. Were you on a tagged path? I’ve heard of several stories of hikers just disappearing without a trace. The key is to stay in sight of tags!
I usually take a bush hat, but so many of the trails are in thick forest that I only put it on when I pop out on some exposed farm road on a sunny day. I’d also take a small towel if it’s warm because hiking is sweaty work.

I always bring a hat, a cell phone, a knife, a headlamp, emergency food, and water on day hikes. I am currently preparing a better kit that also includes firestarting supplies, basic first aid, a water filter and a space blanket.

[quote=“Jah Lynnie”]Fenlander, would love to hear how you got lost. Were you on a tagged path? I’ve heard of several stories of hikers just disappearing without a trace. The key is to stay in sight of tags!
I usually take a bush hat, but so many of the trails are in thick forest that I only put it on when I pop out on some exposed farm road on a sunny day. I’d also take a small towel if it’s warm because hiking is sweaty work.[/quote]
It’s too embarassing sorry :no-no: My ego would be hurt. I can assure you it is really easy to get lost in Taiwan. The forest here is dense and deceptively dangerous. By the way all I will say is that i did not sleep much :roflmao: . The next day I was about half a kilometer from my motorcycle. Yah I was nearly there.
I wasn’t actaully that worried as it was not summer and there was plenty of water around that I could drink off the leaves. Anyways in the words of Hill Street Blues “be careful out there”.

By the way a question for all you John Rambo’s? Why not a lighter? Why matches? Surely a lighter is better?

[quote=“fenlander”][quote=“Jah Lynnie”]Fenlander, would love to hear how you got lost. Were you on a tagged path? I’ve heard of several stories of hikers just disappearing without a trace. The key is to stay in sight of tags!
I usually take a bush hat, but so many of the trails are in thick forest that I only put it on when I pop out on some exposed farm road on a sunny day. I’d also take a small towel if it’s warm because hiking is sweaty work.[/quote]
It’s too embarassing sorry :no-no: My ego would be hurt. I can assure you it is really easy to get lost in Taiwan. The forest here is dense and deceptively dangerous. By the way all I will say is that i did not sleep much :roflmao: . The next day I was about half a kilometer from my motorcycle. Yah I was nearly there.
I wasn’t actaully that worried as it was not summer and there was plenty of water around that I could drink off the leaves. Anyways in the words of Hill Street Blues “be careful out there”.

By the way a question for all you John Rambo’s? Why not a lighter? Why matches? Surely a lighter is better?[/quote]

Can break down unexpectedly. Also if your hand is really cold or numb or injured much harder to use than a match. But basically because they are unreliable.

As for a space or solar blanket, the camping shops around the train station has them. They are those tiny silver packs that fold out to a blanket.

[quote=“Mucha Man”][quote=“fenlander”][quote=“Jah Lynnie”]Fenlander, would love to hear how you got lost. Were you on a tagged path? I’ve heard of several stories of hikers just disappearing without a trace. The key is to stay in sight of tags!
I usually take a bush hat, but so many of the trails are in thick forest that I only put it on when I pop out on some exposed farm road on a sunny day. I’d also take a small towel if it’s warm because hiking is sweaty work.[/quote]
It’s too embarassing sorry :no-no: My ego would be hurt. I can assure you it is really easy to get lost in Taiwan. The forest here is dense and deceptively dangerous. By the way all I will say is that i did not sleep much :roflmao: . The next day I was about half a kilometer from my motorcycle. Yah I was nearly there.
I wasn’t actaully that worried as it was not summer and there was plenty of water around that I could drink off the leaves. Anyways in the words of Hill Street Blues “be careful out there”.

By the way a question for all you John Rambo’s? Why not a lighter? Why matches? Surely a lighter is better?[/quote]

Can break down unexpectedly. Also if your hand is really cold or numb or injured much harder to use than a match. But basically because they are unreliable.

As for a space or solar blanket, the camping shops around the train station has them. They are those tiny silver packs that fold out to a blanket.[/quote]

Thanks :thumbsup:

Nice advice thanks. I like the raincoat one. Probably one of the motorcycle water proofs would be good as well. Very light but could wrap yourself up in it.
Well you are probably right about the whistle but I take one anyway as my dog always goes with me and he obeys commands from it. Solar blanket? Awesome idea except I would not know where to get one from. Camping shop I guess; are they expensive?[/quote]
You can buy the solar blankets cheap-as-shit at Carrefore in their crappy camping section and also really cheap ( but okay) sleeping bags that you could line with a big black trash bag if you wanted it for cold/wet weather. I also tuck the raincoat under my bag straps spread out on my shoulders to soften the load. I have to hump water for myself and two dogs although one of the dogs carries a dog back pack too if we are going out for a while. The raincoat can also be an instant tent, a work or rest blanket and a bag when needed. The raincoat is cut just below waist length so it’s easier to move around in the bush than a motorbike one would allow. Maybe trim it?
I’ve been lucky that I haven’t run into any snakes. I imagine my dogs would play with them. They’re afraid of dead snakes I can tell you -after a few lessons. I bought some awesome inexpensive local hip wader boots that allow me to still wear shorts out in the bush, I lined the bottoms with sole supports because they’re not great for distances. I’m in the market for a jungle hammock so the dogs and I can sleep high and dry and mosquito-free. I’m planning an overnighter in the hills come springtime.
My dogs also respond to whistle, snap and visual commands. I imagine the whistle would come in handy in some instances if rescuers were trying to pinpoint your location. Although the hilly terrain kind of messes with sound.
Dryer lint is a good idea but I haven’t got a dryer, I carry a small fire starting kit with kindling, a spark stone and a cheapy lighter when going out on long trips. I never worry about water pills cause it rains so much here. I’d love to get one of those filter straws I’ve seen on the internet.

Great ideas. Thanks.

There are currently 2 filter straws on the market that are more recognized:
1)iStraw - istraw.co.uk/
2)Lifestraw - vestergaard-frandsen.com/lifestraw

(iStraw made a nice comparison chart here of all filter bottle/straws)

I was not able to find the iStraw in Taiwan, but managed to get a hold of Lifestraw. I remembered that it cost roughly 1000NT and could be found in some hiking stores. They are rather small in size, so comes in handy for emergencies.

If you have extra budget, then I highly recommend Lifesaver (lifesaversystems.com/). I have one that I use on a daily basis. It filters all known bacteria & viruses and uses no chemicals. It is currently not in Taiwan’s market, so the only way is to order it online. But my company is currently working on to distribute this in Taiwan from UK. If you are interested in getting this, just write me a message or email (albert [at] veda.com.tw) and I can get you the details when we have shipments.