Ellipses and aposiopeses

[quote=“jimipresley”][quote=“Belgian Pie”]A typo is a mistake made in typing, pushing a key next or below the supposed key … not 3 keys to te left …

This is a spelling mistake … (agend)[/quote]
Maybe when you learn to use the ellipsis correctly, you’ll be justified in pointing out the “spelling mistakes” of others. :wink:[/quote]

Well, allow me a little nit-picking here: the use of the three dots as seen above is not an ellipsis. An ellipsis is the use of three dots (separated from the surrounding words by a space) to represent the intentional leaving out of certain words from a quoted remark. This is common in reportage to allow brevity and condensed versions of a longer piece while preserving the meaning.

Viz, “The ceremony honored twelve brilliant athletes from the Caribbean who were visiting the U.S.” and leave out “from the Caribbean who were”:

“The ceremony honored twelve brilliant athletes . . . visiting the U.S.”

The three dots usage as practiced frequently on these boards is generally three periods appended to the end of a sentence in place of a period to indicate a tapering off or a dramatic pause… which is not an ellipsis but an aposiopesis. Confusingly, the three dots used to indicate an aposiopesis are also called an ellipsis (or ellipsis points), though in this case, that is not their function. Ellipsis points used to indicate an aposiopesis are not separated from the final word of the sentence or clause or phrase by a space… OTOH, ellipsis points used to indicate ellipsis that ends a sentence should always be separated from the final part of the sentence by a space, for a total of four dots (period, space, ellipsis): otherwise it’s an aposiopesis, not ellipsis!

It is also acceptable to use an m-dash to indicate aposiopesis, rather than an ellipsis, though the latter is becoming more common as its use requires only a single finger to type while an m-dash requires option keys, etc.

The MLA Handbook recommends using square brackets on either side of the ellipsis points to distinguish between an ellipsis that you’ve added and the ellipses that might have been in the original text. Such a bracketed ellipsis in a quotation would look like this:

“Bohr […] used the analogy of parallel stairways […]” (Smith 55).

The MLA Handbook, and the Chicago Manual of Style used to advocate separating each dot of an ellipsis with a space, but that looks too long for some in modern typography. It’s still a useful device, and you will still see it in true ellipsis.

(I could have written all of that, but it’s faster to grab stuff from someone else. Thanks to wikipedia and grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/index2.htm)

I’ve been looking around online to work out for myself how best to use ellipses and aposiopeses after the last post. I can’t find much explanation for it, but I’m not giving up and the explanation above seems like a crock of shit.

Aposiopesis just refers to the breaking off of one’s speech due to being overcome with emotion and it can be rendered in many forms (lines, and so on), as the OP notes. The only example that Wikipedia uses for aposiopesis with dots is this one:

There are too many spaces in this example for me. Even one after the first word (which must upset the OP).

Aposiopesis, moreover, doesn’t refer to the breaking off of speech in mid-title, where the misused periods seems to be most prevalently encountered on forumosa and taiwaneasia.com. It’s supposed to be for a break in speech, not for a break in the FRIGGING heading (before we have even begun the happy descent).

It’s all bollocks, anyway. How many good writers would resort to ellipses / aposiopuses (aposiopesi?) in their writing, anyway?

Once upon a time I had to read all those threads which had the titles with those little frigging dots after them - back when I was a moderator of the LiT forum on F.com and I don’t have to do that now. There may be a God after all. So, I’d just like you all to know that I will never read any thread in which the title has dots/periods after it. It’s a sign of lazy writing. If the thread title is exciting enough, you don’t need more. It is those who doubt their titling skills who add these to there OPs. Things like:

[quote]Had a fight with my brother-in-law …
Love my kids …
A strange thing happened …
You know what …
America and Taiwan …[/quote]

The aposiopeses add nothing to the thread and discourage reading rather than encourage it. Good reading is good reading, or is it …

I’m really … intelligent and … wise. Therefore I am going to tell you where to find … sour cream. I’m also going to provide some profound insight on … 9/11. I am a complete and utter…

The search function doesn’t work if you type in ‘…’ …
That’s a shame, I was suddenly curious how many thread titles do contain ‘…’ …

Louis Ferdinand Celine is the all time master of aposiopesis.

Urodacus is a … who thinks too much and …'s a lot. :wink:

See, now that’s really nice use of ellipsis!

:star:

In America, Herb Caen made a pretty good career out of “three-dot journalism.” His son’s publishing company is Ellipsis Media.

How do you guys feel about ee cummings or the Beat Generation? :ponder:

There’s no need to feel about if you turn the light on.

[quote=“zender”]In America, Herb Caen made a pretty good career out of “three-dot journalism.” His son’s publishing company is Ellipsis Media.

How do you guys feel about ee cummings or the Beat Generation? :ponder:[/quote]

e.e. cummings is very fine indeed, but the Beat was beat to death.

ee cummings … hehe…

[quote=“ThreadKiller”]How many good writers would resort to ellipses / aposiopuses (aposiopesi?) in their writing, anyway[/quote] Offhand I can think of three: Joyce, Zola, and Eliot.

Gonna tell you how I really feel about ellipses …

I think you, along with others, have already done a fine job of that. Indeed, the amount of mental energy which has been devoted to this subject, if differently directed, might have been sufficient to put an end to famine and war, or at least to find a cure for cancer.

I often use ellipses, aposiopoeses, and a certain kind of hyphen (the Germans call that version “Gedankenstrich” = “thought hyphen” or “thought break hyphen”) in my conversational writing, and the purpose of the first is, of course, to indicate omissions in the text (or speech) i quote, nothing more, nothing less. The other two i use as devices to influence the timing of the flow of the text, so maybe in my case the definition of aposiopoesis has to be broadened somewhat: i don’t just use it when i am overcome by emotion (rare enough on Forumosa, and most likely not shown via an aposiopesis but an emoticon like :doh: , :laughing: or :roflmao: ) or to give “an impression of unwillingness or inability to continue” (Wikipedia), but in many cases simply to slow down the flow of the text, that means, to create the effect as if it was spoken (or accompanied by face expressions or gestures).
In Japanese. btw, we use other devices to create that effect, not punctuation.

A few typical examples (from some recent threads where i participated):

  1. ellipsis:
    viewtopic.php?f=89&t=101769&start=65
    2a) aposiopoesis (normal use: unfinished thought):
    viewtopic.php?f=133&t=94804&start=24
    2b) aposiopoesis (used to slow down the flow):
    viewtopic.php?f=121&t=102003&start=291
  2. hyphen used as “thought break marker”
    viewtopic.php?f=133&t=94804&start=26

Just in case someone is looking for examples. :wink:

Oh, and about famine, yeah… quite right… but… :idunno:

And now is a good time to stop. You are a good writer. You don’t need them. Ellipses put me into a snooze mode.

I respectfully disagree. Making something look like it is a verbatim quotation when it has been altered in any way is very uncool: at best it is inconsiderate, at worst it can damage somebody else’s reputation or get the person doing the incorrect quoting sued. :astonished:
Have a look at this, for example:

Source: kentlaw.edu/academics/lrw/gr … lipses.htm

I respectfully disagree. Making something look like it is a verbatim quotation when it has been altered in any way is very uncool: at best it is inconsiderate, at worst it can damage somebody else’s reputation or get the person doing the incorrect quoting sued. :astonished:
Have a look at this, for example:

Source: kentlaw.edu/academics/lrw/gr … lipses.htm[/quote]

The word verbatim also does it.

[quote=“ThreadKiller”]
And now is a good time to stop. You are a good writer. You don’t need them. Ellipses put me into a snooze mode.[/quote]
Methinks you know much about snoozing, and little about writing.
“Voyage au bout de la nuit”, might be a good place to start. Or finish, if one is rather strait-laced.

Does what? Indicate that a quotation is not verbatim?