Ending Birthright Citizenship in the US

Herein is the huge problem with immigration in the U.S.

Illegals.

Round them up, document them through DNA, deport them and put them on a list to never be able to visit the U.S. and never have a chance at immigration regardless of their situation.

You enter the U.S. illegally or overstay your visa, then you get deported and put on a list to never be qualified to enter the U.S. ever again for any reason.

This is the only way to stop illegals from crossing the border or overstaying. Strict immigration policies that are final. Apply legally or get caught and banned for life.

Also ending birthright citizenship would greatly help. You can only attain citizenship through birth if both your parents can be documented as being in a legal status. No citizenship for offspring of illegals or tourists. This would solve China and Taiwan’s huge birth tourism scam.

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You’re completely ignoring the demand side of the equation and focusing solely on the supply. That is not the only way to stop them.

There’s a reason they keep coming and it’s because companies need the labor and will continue to employ them. Anybody who has ever worked back of the house in the service industry will know employers turn a blind eye to illegal immigration because they need the labor.

I managed a kitchen and it was always a running joke that Jorge Velázquez’s social security card said Jeremy Smith. :laughing:. There was no way I could get an American to work in a 110 degree heat behind a grill all day for $9/hr.

We either need an actual guest worker program like the Bracero Program through 1940s and 60s that brought farm workers from Mexico. Or we start punishing employers too.

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Whatever. This just today’s dust bunny you want to chase around? :joy:

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I am stating basic facts. Sorry if doing so is beyond your pay grade. :joy:

Guy

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LOLZ Biden Harris is flying them back in even if they got deported before.

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. If he does Canada might become more popular.

If born in the USA just need one parent to be legal resident with green card. Not all parents are married and some are separated do not punish the children for this. Australia used to have birthright citizenship but changed that in August 1986. Yet here I was issuing tourist and student visa’s to pregnant tourists to go to Australia who didn’t know the law had changed lol.

Not my duty to tell them.

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There is already a guest worker program. Now if you want to claim the number of visa’s issued that’s one thing. People are fleeing poverty and crime from South American countries. They are not genuine refugees.

USA should make E verify mandatory to employ people.

Yeah people who don’t like to pay living wages prefer illegals cause they are cheap and they don’t care if they use someone else’s SS number or a fake one. You are just as complicit as the criminal’s who bring people into the USA in the first place.

Biden Harris have let in 10 - 15 million illegals since 2022. Better adjust those numbers of illegals which is probably closer to 10% of the US population.

It sounds like you’re advocating the US to implement Australian immigration policy and citizenship law

Not such a bad idea is it?

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Yes! I overlooked this major issue. Thanks for pointing it out.

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H2A is dependent on the employer which leads to abuse by both workers and employers alike. Not exactly what I’m talking about.

Living wages for migrant workers who have accomodations provided for them is quite a bit different than immigrants who are relying on the private real estate market and local living costs. This is why I mentioned the Bracero program. Unless of course everyone wants to pay double, triple for strawberries or continue to allow a black market for labor to run rife.

I see math is not your strong suit.

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Have you always loved writing fiction, or is this a new hobby you’ve developed just for your friends on forumosa?

Guy

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I have to say, I really don’t understand the liberals’ arguments for keeping birthright citizenship.

Argument 1: “It is enshrined in the constitution.”
Well… so is the “right to bear arms,” yet that’s something they’re always willing to argue for changing. Constitutions aren’t untouchable. They were designed to adapt to changing times, which is why we have amendments. How many amendments are there again? Just because something is in the constitution doesn’t mean it can’t be reconsidered. If liberals can advocate for changing the second amendment, then the same principle applies here.

Argument 2: “Every developed country gives out birthright citizenship.”
This is simply false. Only two standout (or should actually say “holdout”) developed countries still grant unrestricted birthright citizenship: the United States and Canada. Every other developed nation has implemented reasonable restrictions. Most require at least one parent to have legal residency, with others—like Germany and Australia—going further by requiring permanent residency. Some countries, like Taiwan, are stricter still, granting citizenship only to children born to at least one citizen parent.

In my opinion, children born to parents with any form of legal residency—even temporary—should qualify for citizenship. I can also understand the argument for limiting it to permanent residency. I also disagree with requiring a parent to have citizenship. But that’s beside the point. Trump’s policy focuses on legal residency, which is entirely reasonable and aligns with global norms.

Argument 3: “Ending birthright citizenship is racist or xenophobic.”
This is nothing more than a moral smear designed to shut down debate. Many countries that restrict birthright citizenship—like Germany, Japan, and Australia—have adjusted their policies to reflect the realities of the modern world. Times have changed. In the past, borders were harder to cross, and international travel was rare. Today, people can fly across borders within hours, making it easier to exploit birthright citizenship for “birth tourism” or to bypass immigration systems.

It’s not “racist” to say that citizenship should reflect a real, legal connection to a country—such as a parent’s residency status—rather than being granted by accident of location. Policies need to evolve to keep pace with the modern era, where unrestricted birthright citizenship no longer makes practical sense.

Argument 4: “It’s unfair to deny citizenship to children who had no choice where they were born.”
Citizenship is not just a right—it’s a privilege that comes with obligations, rights, and responsibilities. While children may not choose where they are born, their parents have a responsibility to ensure they have a legal connection to the country where they give birth.

Furthermore, ending birthright citizenship does not mean children will be left stateless. In most cases, children inherit their parents’ citizenship, ensuring they have legal status. International norms and laws also provide protections for genuinely stateless children, ensuring they can acquire citizenship in their country of birth when no other options exist. - EVEN TAIWAN ALLOWS FOR THIS!!!

This isn’t about punishing children—it’s about ensuring fairness and protecting the value of citizenship. Granting automatic citizenship based solely on birthplace creates an unfair loophole that undermines the systems and legal processes citizens and legal residents abide by.

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Previous to moving to Asia, I was all for birthright citizenship, but once I learned how the Asian elites abuse the system I’m fully against it. The young lady who works at my wife’s spa is a surrogate mother every two years, and during the last month’s of her pregnancy she takes off to CA to have the baby in a TW postpartum care facility in LA. A complete abuse of the system.

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That makes sense. You didn’t know much about the world and lived in a bubble. That’s what many of these liberal proponents live in. The rest simply benefited from it and want their friends and family to benefit from this scam too.

Not just them but many from around the world abuse it. Why? Because flying is now cheaper than ever. If I were from some third world :poop: :hole: I would save up and do the same. It doesn’t matter if I get bankrupted in the US etc… because my baby would be a citizen, that is the goal.

Easy fix. Just require at least one parent to have “legal residency.” - No need to go all out and require PR or citizenship.

  • Not an ESTA
  • Not a tourist visa
  • Not an illegal arrival
  • Not an overstayer

Frankly I wouldn’t care if one of the parents one of the above. But at least one parent should be a legal resident.

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Setting up ridiculous strawman arguments and then easily knocking them down. :woozy_face:

Wonder what the motivation of Australians/Taiwanese or is it Taiwanese/Australians have to continually disseminate false info about the US. :thinking:

Well then give me your argument for it? I am just listing the most common objections.

Which part is false? I am giving you an outside view of the debate.

How about you build a constructive counterpoint instead and present it on here. Or is that too much to ask?

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Not sure where you are getting those arguments.
Your first argument is the Constitution can be amended. You are right. But until such time as it is amended, the law stands. Not sure what you were trying to say there. Without getting past this threshold argument, the other arguments are just noise.

BTW, as an American, I am not for birth tourism and I am for gun control but I understand the constitutional issues involved in the passing laws restricting these rights.