[quote=“Novaspes”]
I still have issues.[/quote]
I think it is important to understand that Falun Gong is good for people and society, because Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance is the foundation of Falun Gong. Falun Gong practitioners try to be good person.
If there would be more good persons, the society would be better, isn’t it?
It’s not important to understand that if you have no connections with your group. You need to work on persuading people why they should care. Your mode of discourse is akin to standing in Greenland shouting ‘our papayas are good!’ The only response is ‘Huh? So?’ Persuade people to eat a papaya, before you tell them that yours are good.
I try to correct misconceptions.
It is not good for us to be cheated or misguided or misinformed, Isn’t it?
[quote=“Benjamin K”][quote=“Novaspes”]
I still have issues.[/quote]
I think it is important to understand that Falun Gong is good for people and society, because Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance is the foundation of Falun Gong. Falun Gong practitioners try to be good persons, try to assimilate to Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance.
If there would be more good persons, the society would be better, isn’t it?[/quote]
Apart from the fact that you keep avoiding what I say and just go back to your “Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance” mantra, what you’re saying is akin to what most churches and similar organizations say about their belief and their practice. I think we all know how that can turn out. So no, sorry, you can repeat those words ad nauseam (which you already did), but you’re not going to convince anyone. People capable of thinking are not carps: ypu can’t catch them through mental exhaustion.
I try to correct misconceptions.
It is not good for us to be cheated or misguided or misinformed, Isn’t it?[/quote]
You tried to correct what you call “misconceptions” by asserting they’re what you claim they are and by stating your version of the truth. You’ve given exactly zero arguments or examples of why what you say is true. Hardly a good teacher or a good informer.
Maybe it’s just Chinglish. “Falun Dafa is good” can mean Falun Dafa is great, as in the best worldview/religion out there. In which case I agree with a lot of the criticism cited above.
Or maybe it’s supposed to mean “Falun Dafa is goodness” or a set of guiding principles (like many religions/worldviews out there). In which case I can understand that whoever coined this phrase wanted a simple descriptive phrase to sum up what Falun Dafa is about, and my criticism is limited to the poor choice in words. 
You are hitting it from the wrong angle. Using emotive words such as ‘cheated’ doesn’t work because I have no emotional buy in to FD. I don’t care. You have to establish an emotional connection first. You’re making an assumption that people would help if only they knew. They wouldn’t. All over the world, people are being tortured and murdered for their beliefs and people do nothing. The people who DO act are those who develop an emotional connection with the problem. Develop that emotional connection and you may have some influence. Misconceptions are irrelevant if no-one is interested anyway.
In the last five minutes, an untold amount of people, in every country of the world, have been tortured or murdered for heinous reasons. Few people do anything or care at all in anything but the most abstract terms.
You need to communicate, not to talk. I’m writing this because FD always use the same mode of discourse and it actively turns people off.
[quote=“elburro”]Maybe it’s just Chinglish. “Falun Dafa is good” can mean Falun Dafa is great, as in the best worldview/religion out there. In which case I agree with a lot of the criticism cited above.
Or maybe it’s supposed to mean “Falun Dafa is goodness” or a set of guiding principles (like many religions/worldviews out there). In which case I can understand that whoever coined this phrase wanted a simple descriptive phrase to sum up what Falun Dafa is about, and my criticism is limited to the poor choice in words. [/quote]
I am personally taking issue with the OP’s attitude and his belief that he is somehow making a case for Falun Gong, rather than with the movement itself, my opinion of which might well be plagued by misconceptions and biases.
Here comes an example, how communist party produced lies:
Be patient and read more, maybe you will change.
Here comes an example, how communist party produced lies:
falsefire.com/[/quote]
“How China produces lies” has little value for your argument, especially when talking to someone (e.g. myself) who has never read or heard what China has to say about Falun Gong. Also, the equation “China bad therefore Falun Gong good” is a fundamentally flawed one. I feel for the persecution of Falun Dafaists and think it is wrong, but that does not mean I have any sympathy for the movement. (Same way that I am happy Stalin’s army kicked Hitler’s asses durimg WW2, but that doesn’t make me a fan of a bloodthirsty communist dictator).
To be honest, assuming you’re an average follower of Falun Dafa, this whole thread is pushing my feeling about this movement down a notch, rather than improving it.
Be patient and read more, maybe you will change.[/quote]
No, you completely miss my point. ‘Patience’ is not a useful translation of what you are trying to say.I won’t read more because it’s fundamentally uninteresting and irrelevant to my life. It’s for you to make a connection with me if you want to change any misconceptions I might have. If I tell you all about my religious beliefs, you might think / say ‘yeah, but I’m not that interested because I follow Falun Dafa and I’m not that interested in how your people have been persecuted. I’m certainly not going to do anything to fight against that because I need to try and influence people about FD. That’s my priority’.
You need to read more and campaign on behalf of dispossessed tribal groups in Venezuela.
Here comes an example, how communist party produced lies:
falsefire.com/[/quote]
“How China produces lies” has little value for your argument, especially when talking to someone (e.g. myself) who has never read or heard what China has to say about Falun Gong. [/quote]
Even though you think so, but Communist Party has been to plant seeds of misinformation and even hate incitement abroad, and some are effected by the CCP’s evil propaganda, as many media in the world quoted Communist Party’s propaganda when the persecution began. Therefore it is important for one to know the truth.
[quote=“Novaspes”]
Also, the equation “China bad therefore Falun Gong good” is a fundamentally flawed one. [/quote]
Falun Gong is good without the persecution before 1999,
Falun Gong is good after 1999 when Communist party began the persecution.
[quote=“Ermintrude”]
I won’t read more because it’s fundamentally uninteresting and irrelevant to my life…[/quote]
Organ Harvesting!
I think communist party is committing an anti-human crime. You are one of the human being in the world. Don’t you think so?
Yes. It’s a shame. But I’m not going to do anything because I have no emotional connection with FD. I also don’t really care about human rights abuses in Venezuela, the DRC or Palestine. To clarify, it’s sad, but as it isn’t happening to anyone I have any connection with. I’m not going to help. What are you doing about the situation in Angola?
I’m saying that if you want to have an impact, you need to form an emotional connection with people in order to get them onside. Government-sanctioned shit is happening in most of the countries of the world: saying the CCP is bad is not effective. Most would agree with you but not even my country’s government is going to have an effect on that, let alone one person.
FD is gaining almost zero traction against the government. There are a lot of reasons for this but its often because they don’t engage people emotionally. They proclaim, they don’t converse. In my town, they stand in the market square chanting loudly and showing giant pictures of chopped up people. Is there any worse way to get British people on side? People cross the street to avoid them.
What you should do is drop the 2D proselytising. Make friends with people. Show don’t tell. You need to invest time and thought into it if you want to get people from other cultures onside.
Good luck!
[quote=“Benjamin K”][quote=“Novaspes”]
Also, the equation “China bad therefore Falun Gong good” is a fundamentally flawed one. [/quote]
Falun Gong is good without the persecution before 1999,
Falun Gong is good after 1999 when Communist party began the persecution.[/quote]
Yes yes yes, fiiiiiiine.
Goodbye to you.
Let us say, after 20 or 30 years, when your grandchild question you: “When the evil communist party did organ harvesting to good persons, have you done sth to stop the crime and help the innocent?”
Would you answer that you have no emotional connection with them, so you did nothing to help them?
Let us say, after 20 or 30 years, when your grandchild question you: “When the Angolan paramilitaries pressganged child soldiers into warring factions, have you done sth to stop the crime and help the innocent?”
Would you answer that you have no emotional connection with them, so you did nothing to help them?
[quote=“Ermintrude”]Let us say, after 20 or 30 years, when your grandchild question you: “When the Angolan paramilitaries pressganged child soldiers into warring factions, have you done sth to stop the crime and help the innocent?”
Would you answer that you have no emotional connection with them, so you did nothing to help them?[/quote]
I would answer:“I told other persons that Falun Gong is good. If more persons practise Falun Gong, there would be less war, less contradiction. Therefore I did sth good for the world.”
You would be talking rubbish!