No, we don’t agree, therefore we are obviously narrow minded and biased. 
Well of course! Didn’t you see before, FLG practitioners don’t lie, ever, because their religion says they don’t lie. And if ordinary practitioners never lie, the sheer level of truthfulness the Master is at must be beyond mortal comprehension!
I just noticed how amazingly accurate this thread’s title has become…
[quote=“sandman”]so what on earth was her point in even mentioning the NHI?
And as for your ridiculous “narrow mindset” statement, what do you mean by that? I can only assume that you are referring to the scientific method of study, as opposed to your way – “my master says it’s true, so it must be. They’ve even done surveys that prove it.”
As a scientist, you should be ashamed of yourself. You sound more like an uneducated peasant.[/quote]
She wrote about the denotion of NHI on the study of the relationship between mind and human body is to let people know that the scientists have realized the importance of people’s mind, and are studying at this field. Is there anything wrong?
“narrow mindset” does not mean what you mention here, becouse it envolves the understanding of the different dimensions of the universe, not being easy to explain.
Science has known that there are many dimensions in the universe, which we cannot open now.
For example , the universe is composed of many dimensions, if we only study within one dimension, it is far near the truth of the universe, especially when we study on human’s mind.
We could study using the scientific methods, as Dr. LiLi Feng is doing.
If you donot know us well, please do not casually label us as what and what.
I think it is better to receive your suggestion that focuss on the cruel persecution. People always have different point of view about things. That is not strange. Religions think their Gods are true and other religions are wrong. But the followers of different religions can get along well.
The persecution for Falun Gong is so terrible that has beyond the imagine of you kind persons.
Let us start at why the bad man persecutes Falun Gong:
Here are the three reasons for the unwarranted crackdown on Falun Gong provided by most analysts and China specialists:
The popularity of the practice: Falun Gong practitioners outnumbered the Chinese Communist Party.
Party officials scapegoat Falun Gong to gain politically
As economic and technological developments have become top priorities for China as a nation, many government officials who specialize in political propaganda and ideological battles will engender political unrest to provide them with a “cause” to gain political power. Falun Gong was made a scapegoat for this purpose. The propaganda was released through government-run media to defame Falun Gong and its founder from June 1996, and escalated to the mobilization of police and the use of physical violence in Tianjin on April 23, 1999. The development and escalation of the Falun Gong persecution actually happened over a period of three or four years.
See the whole article here:http://www.faluninfo.net/why/index.asp
[quote]We could study using the scientific methods, as Dr. LiLi Feng is doing.
If you donot know us well, please do not casually label us as what and what.[/quote]
Feng is not using scientific methods. Those so-called “studies” of hers, and every other link you have provided, would not be considered fit for publication in any reputable scientific journal.
I’m not labeling you for practicing FLG, but I’m labeling you as either a) a fruitcake; b) brainwashed or c) deliberately trying to mislead people, because as you claim to have a science background, you should know perfectly well how bogus these “studies” are.
This has been a very informative thread. I still don’t agree with the PRC and their persecution of the cult. I just don’t care as much now. I had thought that Falun Gong was mostly about exercise and meditation.
Sandman, it seems you are very “scientific”. OK, please have a look at what a PH.D’s view about science and Falun Gong.pureinsight.org/pi/articles/ … /1109.html
He is a scientist in neurobiology.
No Falun Gong practitioner is trying to mislead people. only tell you what we think, what we discover. You should not think Feng’s studies are not scientific, she is famous in her area. You made mistake at the donation
although she wrote very clearly;hence, I think you did not read her article carefully.
Maybe some of the articles I introduced are not fit to publish in sceintific magzines, but they are true and persuadable.
Please have a look at the support to Falun Gong from th world:
clearwisdom.net/emh/30/
Again Lizi, I will ask:
Do you have any evidence, a single, solitary piece, backing up any of this crap you’re spouting that doesn’t come from Pure Insight or Clear Wisdom - ie from a NON-BIASED SOURCE?
[quote]Maybe some of the articles I introduced are not fit to publish in sceintific magzines, but they are true and persuadable.
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No, they’re ALL DEFINITELY not fit for publication in scientific journals. Why do you think that is?
Are they true? I know you think so, but I most certainly don’t. Are they persuadable? Well, let’s see … “we say these fairytales are true, therefore they are true.” Nope, sorry, I’m not persuaded.
Really? Why not? There’s nothing “scientific” about them at all.
Yes, well there are people who “think” that taking a young girl’s virginity will give them more sexual prowess. What do you “think” about that.
As for what you have “discovered” – that most FLG practitioners questioned in a series of surveys claim to “feel better” after practicing. That’s all. There’s nothing scientific about that AT ALL.
The worst of it is that as a person with a scientific background yourself, you must be totally aware of the hollowness and lack of legitimacy of your claims. Yet still you persist.
Hmm, let’s look at this latest “scientific” report from Lizi, shall we?
Title: “Why is Falun Dafa a Science of Mind and Body?”
"In the end, I came up with the thought that this book [Zhuan Falun] could actually be considered to be a research paper claming some striking results, with a
[quote=“sandman”][quote]Maybe some of the articles I introduced are not fit to publish in sceintific magzines, but they are true and persuadable.
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No, they’re ALL DEFINITELY not fit for publication in scientific journals. Why do you think that is?
Are they true? I know you think so, but I most certainly don’t. Are they persuadable? Well, let’s see … “we say these fairytales are true, therefore they are true.” Nope, sorry, I’m not persuaded. 
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You forgot one point, which is one of the big things that makes them utterly unscientific. They’re completely unfalsifiable. If you disagree or find a different result, it’s because you don’t understand fully.
If you want to see a survey from an independent group.
Here it is!
" Russia: Report on the Healing Effects of Falun Gong from the Moscow Business Committee
Report on the healing effects of Falun Gong
A medical investigation and study on some Russian Falun Gong practitioners was conducted by an investigation and study team composed of Professor Guluoji (MD), a well known legal medical expert in the Legal and Medical Office of the Russian Federal Internal Affairs Department, and Mr. Simingtani, the Chief Examination Doctor in the Investigation Office of the Justice Department. The study included investigation of the following items: documentation of medical treatments received by Dafa practitioners before they began to practice, a health profile of each practitioner comparing before and after they began practicing cultivation, Falun Gong’s contents and the daily life of practitioners.
Random sampling was used by the team, in which 12 out of 32 Falun Gong practitioners were selected. The investigation period was from April 23 to June 24 in 2001.
The contents of the examination included:
The health condition of organs and systems of the body;
The objective conditions and subjective opinions of the subjects in the investigation;
The dynamic mental condition of the subjects in the investigation. "
"A statement from the Investigation and Study Team:
“Practicing Falun Gong enables obvious improvements in health and spirit. Falun Gong does not cause any danger or harm to human health or spirit. It is an acceptable health protection method.”
June 26, 2001
Signed by the Member of the Investigation and Study Team
Stamp by the Investigation Office of the Justice Department"
See the article and certificate:http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2003/2/24/32530.html
Twelve people in this “survey?” This just gets funnier and funnier. You really ARE a fruitcake, aren’t you?
[quote]"A statement from the Investigation and Study Team:
“Practicing Falun Gong enables obvious improvements in health and spirit. Falun Gong does not cause any danger or harm to human health or spirit. It is an acceptable health protection method.”
[/quote]
That’s all I need to know. Where do I sign up?
Guess what, Lizi. I know 12 kids who eat their boogers and they don’t get sick. So eating boogers is good for your health. In fact, one of the kids had a broken leg, but after he ate his boogers every day for three months, HE CAN WALK AGAIN!!!
So, scientifically speaking, we can scientifically say scientifically, that eating boogers can cure broken bones. This is a true and persuadable fact, Lizi.
You can deny this if you like, Lizi, but it will only be because you fail to understand the true science of the relationship between the human booger
and the human moral spirit.
You are a madwoman.
Sandman and Tetsuo, seeing as how Blueface isn’t posting much lately, I guess I’ll just have to tell you myself: You foreigners and non-believers just don’t understand Chinese culture and the Falungong.
Lizi - you see that link you posted?
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2003/2/24/32530.html. Clear bloody Wisdom again? Still no independent sources?
Tetsuo and sandman
I never say I am a woman, both of you thought I am. But I am a man.
From this issue we can see that something we think maybe is not right.
Sandman, I usually read thesis less than 30 cases which is required in medical journals.Also the cases are not as that many, the writers can say that there is the result which needs more cases to further prove.The example you gave is so funny, but not correct, if 12 kids all have the same rsult, than this should be further study.right?
You know in kungfu movies for a man to reach the ultimate in Qiqong, requires the act of castration.
I have a list of movies as proof
invincible Asia
White-hair Female demon
The trio heroine
When I show you the article, you say the article is from clearwisdom.
No matter where does it come from,the experiment is true. right?
Lizi,
It fails the scientific method on so many levels, that is the problem.
[quote=“Lizi1118”][quote=“Tetsuo”]
Show me proof from a medical experiment that follows scientific method and is performed by a source independent from FLG and I’ll believe you.
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When I show you the article, you say the article is from clearwisdom.
No matter where does it come from,the experiment is true. right?[/quote]
Not necessarily. A biased source can be prone to biased reporting, sometimes through embellishment, more commonly through judicious omission.
Plus, as AC said - you’ll note I said “a medical experiment that follows scientific method”. So far, not one of your examples has. They’ve been couched in scientific terminology, but that’s not enough. Shit, I can make shit up in scientifice terminology, that doesn’t make it science. They’ve been written by scientists, but that’s not enough. Scientists are humans too - they have their own biases, agendas, and lives outside the lab. The difference between a “report written by a scientist” and a “scientific experimental report” is that the latter follows scientific method.