Filipinos to Start Teaching English in Taiwan

[BiggusDickus]

@arcticsquid

Question is, how to filter them? Without becoming borderline racism, and at the same time maintain low bureaucratic cost.

Require all English teachers to take an English language exam at their own expense. Zero bureacratic cost.

[ElijahSix]

I’m not very concerned with the accepted small variations like aunt vs aunt or aitch vs haitch. What bothers me is the guy at my school who has terrible grammar even when speaking to other native English speakers - “She have two book” type of stuff. Or there’s the other teacher who comes in to teach my students once a week. The kids always tell me that he misspells common things or asks them what a word in their reading book means because he truly doesn’t know. If they don’t know either he has to look it up.

One is from South Africa and one from the USA if it matters. I fall in the camp that it shouldn’t matter where you come from, you just need the skills to do the job. Basic grammar, vocabulary and spelling ability in the classroom should be a bare minimum IMO.

[tando]

@ElijahSix

“She have two book”

what is wrong with this. totally understandable sentence.

[TT]

@arcticsquid

Question is, how to filter them?

IELTS test

[TT]

@tando

what is wrong with this. totally understandable sentence

In English we use singular and plural, accuracy is missing here, but basic meaning is ok.

Oh, unless she had one book. I’m guessing the meaning and might guess wrong. Wouldn’t have to guess if it was correct in the first place.

High context cultures might guess, and shrug off the mistake as inevitable or close enough, I guess…

Anyways, I wouldn’t correct that on the Flob, but that isn’t a good example for learners from a teacher. Such a basic mistake.

[justintaiwan]

@arcticsquid

A New Zealander whose native tongue is Maori.

All the Maori speakers in New Zealand also speak English…… not unlike how the Irish speak English better than Irish and the Welsh speak English better than Welsh.

It would be difficult to find a native Maori speaker. Only 50,000 people claim to speak it well. So you’re looking for a needle in a haystack of 50,000 i would be surprised if 10 of those 50,000 don’t speak English fluently.

[ElijahSix]

@tando

@ElijahSix

“She have two book”

what is wrong with this. totally understandable sentence.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic but:

But that was just a quick example of the type of basic grammar mistakes this guy makes. I’d estimate less than 25% of his sentences have no mistakes, which is not great for somebody whose whole job is teaching English.

[BiggusDickus]

He can’t be a native speaker if he’s making mistakes like that. A native speaker wouldn’t be able to do it.

[TT]

Could have bad English as a first language?

[jimipresley]

@TT

Could have bad English as a first language?

Of course. Look at some of the posts by native speakers on Forumosa.

[TT]

@jimipresley

Of course. Look at some of the posts by native speakers on Forumosa

I make lots of mistakes on here with my phone typiing. Am not worried about it, becauseb im nit being paid

Do youbwant to pay me?

[crusher]

@Chewycorns

[i]

The Taiwan Ministry of Education (MOE) has indicated that it will soon start a recruiting drive for qualified English instructors. Admittedly, there is a shortage of qualified and experienced English teachers in Taiwan (and in other countries within the region) and this move would make perfect sense.

However, the MOE has stated that it will only pay Filipino instructors $25,000 NT, almost half of what teachers from Canada, Australia, U.S. and U.K. make under the same program.

My position on this is that qualified Filipino English instructors should receive the same pay and benefits as their colleagues from Canada, Australia, U.S. and the U.K. if they are to be contracted for the same amount of hours and duties as the native speaking instructors.

Furthermore, I agree that there should be more opportunities for qualified Filipino and Indian instructors who have native-like proficiency in English.

Indeed, it seems wrong to allow access to English teaching positions in Taiwan purely on the basis of where individual applicants were born or the kind of passport they hold.

For instance, there are French Canadians in Taiwan teaching English, some at the university level, in fact, who are not native English speakers. However, they hold Canadian passports, thus, making them eligible to teach English in Taiwan.

The current MOE policies are based on race and they must be ammended so as not to exclude other English speaking applicants from non-English-speaking countries.[/i]
cna.com.tw/eng/cepread.php?id=200510140033
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That’s not race it’s nationality. Unless you are assuming people from Australia or England are a race ?

[crusher]

@TT

@jimipresley

Of course. Look at some of the posts by native speakers on Forumosa

I make lots of mistakes on here with my phone typiing. Am not worried about it, becauseb im nit being paid

Do youbwant to pay me?

Ow much u no bout english

[jimipresley]

@TT

I make lots of mistakes on here with my phone typiing. Am not worried about it, becauseb im nit being paid

Do youbwant to pay me?

So you don’t bother to check it before you hit Send. About as lame an excuse as “TYPO!”
Anyway, if you want to come across as illiterate, that’s your choice.
Go check out Facebook and see the clowns who can’t string a sentence together without multiple errors applying for English teaching jobs.

[TT]

Enough to get paid, if there are expectations.

For what I’m being paid here, I decide the level of effort I put in

[jimipresley]

@TT

For what I’m being paid here, I decide the level of effort I put in

Don’t you get a moderators’ lunch every six months or so? Those used to be pretty cool.

[justintaiwan]

@TT

For what I’m being paid here, I decide the level of effort I put in

This is my life view. Teaching English in Taiwan pays less than I was paid at Maccas in Australia 7 years ago. So they receive less effort than my boss at Maccas received. That includes less proof reading.

Maccas = McDonald’s.

[TT]

@jimipresley

So you don’t bother to check it before you hit Send

Depends. Some things even if i do check i dont care, like case and commas in this sentence.

@jimipresley

About as lame an excuse as “TYPO!”

I dont care, is my excuse. Yiu get what you pay for

@jimipresley

Anyway, if you want to come across as illiterate, that’s your choice.

We all develop opinions about each other over time. If people who have been active on this site for the past few years have come to the conclusion that i am illiterate, well, what can I say?

@jimipresley

Go check out Facebook and see the clowns who can’t string a sentence together without multiple errors applying for English teaching jobs.

Sucks for them, I’m not interested. Obviously I check my cover letters more closely than my forumosa phone posts. That’s why I have a good job, which gets more of my time than Forumosa because they pay better

@jimipresley

Don’t you get a moderators’ lunch every six months or so? Those used to be pretty cool.

Must be nice for the guys that live up north. So far, 0 moderator lunches in south taiwan. So i can spend the time and money to go up there for a “free” lunch. Basically a work lunch, because Ibhave to be on good behavior…

[TT]

@justintaiwan

@TT

For what I’m being paid here, I decide the level of effort I put in

This is my life view. Teaching English in Taiwan pays less than I was paid at Maccas in Australia 7 years ago. So they receive less effort than my boss at Maccas received

By “here” I mean Forumosa (funny how the correct grammar still needs clarification, eh?). My job in Taiwan pays fine, all things considered

[justintaiwan]

I know you meant Formosa. I mean putting in effort equal to the amount you’re paid is good life advice. I was trying to be supportive of you haha

And it also explains to why one might not edit their posts on job ads for English teachers that are posted to Facebook… often posted by people who can’t speak English for shit but “only hire Americans”