Finally, a reasonable, intelligent Republican

[cableguy]

(In Keeping with a promise I made to Maoman about adhering to the rules of this forum, I will use only limited quotes and then links.)

…Congress this session will take up the question of whether the U.S. should continue its post-Cold War policy of lowering its military nuclear profile or instead embrace a new Bush administration program to research and develop a family of tactical nuclear weapons intended for use against terrorist enclaves and hostile nations…
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … wnukes&e=5

Well, it seems that the Bush administration has hit a bump in the road on this issue and the bump is "Rep. David Hobson (R-Ohio). Hobson is against the program because he feels “some idiot might try to use” the weapons.

How did this happen? A voice of reason from among a group of unreasonable people? Let me venture a guess as to what is really happening.

It is apparently becoming clear to more and more people, yes even some Republicans, that Bush is a meglomaniac who, if left unchecked, would eventually lead America into countless battles which will lead to the ultimate downfall of the USA.

Bush needs more and more powerful weapons because the more powerful the weapons, the less people are needed to actually fight, which is good news to Bush since the body count rises daily in Iraq.

Yes, folks, it is becoming more and more obvious to anyone who cares to see that Bush has war plans that far exceed Iraq. In fact, Iraq is most likely only the beginning of countries Bush plans to send our war weary soldiers.

This is why the American people are not going to put Bush back in office for 4 more years. It is simply too clear that he is out of control and has no idea what he is doing. Unfortunately, others, not him, are paying the price for his actions.

THIS OPINION IS MINE AND MINE ALONE. I RECEIVED NO MONEY FOR MY VIEWS. IN OTHER WORDS, I AM NOT A SWIFT BOAT VETERAN.

[TainanCowboy]

Re: the ridiculous anti-Swift Boat Veterans for Truth rhetoric that seens to be in vogue, let me make one simple statement…well OK…2.

1. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are bound by the same libel & slander laws facing any other group or individual.
   Have the Kerry camp or any other of the Soros funded 527 groups brought charges of libel or slander against them?
   The answer is no. Care to speculate why?

2. John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 releasing ALL of his military records. Interpret this as you will.

[Okami]

Once again, cableguy gets his marching orders from the liberal media.

Because of the use of satellites to keep an eye on things they started putting everything underground. We need to be able to penetrate reinforced underground bunkers. Low grade nuclear weapons do this. It also makes them think twice about doing the things that could cause one of these low garde nuclear bombs to land in their country(i.e. Libya).

Their use would probably be pretty restricted to only the most exceptional of circumstances.

Bush needs more and more powerful weapons because the more powerful the weapons, the less people are needed to actually fight, which is good news to Bush since the body count rises daily in Iraq.

The death rate from murder is probably higher in some states than it was in Iraq. Try again and read about Germany 45-48 about insurgencies. You know that whole perspective things throws you liberals in a tizzy.

In fact, Iraq is most likely only the beginning of countries Bush plans to send our war weary soldiers.

Good, when do we invade Iran. Hopefully before the Israelis nuke them.

This is why the American people are not going to put Bush back in office for 4 more years. It is simply too clear that he is out of control and has no idea what he is doing. Unfortunately, others, not him, are paying the price for his actions.

Seen the polls lately? Bush is pulling ahead and the democrats have finally realized that they’ve nominated Forrest Gump. Even the NYT, Dick Morris and a host of other democrats are freaking out because they got a guy who can’t make a stand no matter what it is. The Clintons don’t want him in office and he has more campaign advisors than his Band of Brothers. I think the Stolen Honor vets are just the icing on the cake. He flubs the first question at the debates and its a sealed deal.

Okami

[jplowman]

@Okami

Good, when do we invade Iraq. Hopefully before the Israelis nuke them.

Okami you mean Iran?

[cableguy]

quote=“TainanCowboy”[quote]Re: the ridiculous anti-Swift Boat Veterans for Truth rhetoric that seens to be in vogue, let me make one simple statement…well OK…2.

1. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are bound by the same libel & slander laws facing any other group or individual.
   Have the Kerry camp or any other of the Soros funded 527 groups brought charges of libel or slander against them?
   The answer is no. Care to speculate why?[/quote]

Sure, I’ll venture a guess. The truth is that at the moment, in the heat of the campaign battle, both sides expect to be hit with everything that their enemy can toss at them. Thus, the stuff thrown at Kerry by the Swift Boat frauds is not unexpected nor is it important enough to get derailed away from the job of winning the White House to start filing lawsuits of any kind. THis is not to say that such lawsuits won’t happen in the future, but now Kerry and his camp want to keep their eyes on the November election and not get distracted by the master distracters who are employed by friends of Bush.

2. John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 releasing ALL of his military records. Interpret this as you will.

Well, let’s look at what we do know about Kerry’s military record and compare it to what we also know about Bush’s military record. Kerry served his country in Vietnam. Bush didn’t. What else would you like to know? I think that says it all right there.

[TainanCowboy]

[quote=“cableguy”]quote=“TainanCowboy”[quote]Re: the ridiculous anti-Swift Boat Veterans for Truth rhetoric that seens to be in vogue, let me make one simple statement…well OK…2.

1. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are bound by the same libel & slander laws facing any other group or individual.
   Have the Kerry camp or any other of the Soros funded 527 groups brought charges of libel or slander against them?
   The answer is no. Care to speculate why?[/quote]

Sure, I’ll venture a guess. The truth is that at the moment, in the heat of the campaign battle, both sides expect to be hit with everything that their enemy can toss at them. Thus, the stuff thrown at Kerry by the Swift Boat frauds is not unexpected nor is it important enough to get derailed away from the job of winning the White House to start filing lawsuits of any kind. THis is not to say that such lawsuits won’t happen in the future, but now Kerry and his camp want to keep their eyes on the November election and not get distracted by the master distracters who are employed by friends of Bush.

2. John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 releasing ALL of his military records. Interpret this as you will.

Well, let’s look at what we do know about Kerry’s military record and compare it to what we also know about Bush’s military record. Kerry served his country in Vietnam. Bush didn’t. What else would you like to know? I think that says it all right there.[/quote]

Neither of those statements properly addresses the post.

If the SBVT’s statements are false - they would be brought up on charges.
No charges of libel or slander have been brought forth.

What we do know about Kerrys mil record is that it is looking more and more as if great sectionsd of it have been falsified. Hell, even the US Navy is investigating his DD214 & DD 215’s in his file.
John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 and release ALL of his mil records. President Bush has done so. Years ago, when he was running for Gov or Texas. Why does Kerry still refuse to do this?

I hope this is worded clearly enough. Just 2 simple questions.

[Tigerman]

@cableguy

Sure, I’ll venture a guess. The truth is that at the moment, in the heat of the campaign battle, both sides expect to be hit with everything that their enemy can toss at them. Thus, the stuff thrown at Kerry by the Swift Boat frauds is not unexpected nor is it important enough to get derailed away from the job of winning the White House to start filing lawsuits of any kind. THis is not to say that such lawsuits won’t happen in the future, but now Kerry and his camp want to keep their eyes on the November election and not get distracted by the master distracters who are employed by friends of Bush.

And what do you say about the fake memos sent to CBS by the Kerry campaign?

2. John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 releasing ALL of his military records. Interpret this as you will.

@cableguy

Well, let’s look at what we do know about Kerry’s military record and compare it to what we also know about Bush’s military record. Kerry served his country in Vietnam. Bush didn’t. What else would you like to know? I think that says it all right there.

I’d like to know whether Kerry lied about his actions for which he was awarded medals.

[Tigerman]

2. John Kerry still refuses to sign Standard Form 180 releasing ALL of his military records. Interpret this as you will.

@cableguy

Well, let’s look at what we do know about Kerry’s military record and compare it to what we also know about Bush’s military record. Kerry served his country in Vietnam. Bush didn’t. What else would you like to know? I think that says it all right there.

[Flipper]

kerry has not answered any questions from any news reporters in over a month. his biggest fear now is someone is going to ask him about christmas in cambodia and he is going to have to lie or admit he lied.

btw, cableguy, you’re the most predictable guy on here. everyone who agrees with you is reasonable and intelligent. anyone who disagrees is an evil republican. lol. you parrot the dnc talking points and take most of your arguments straight from the mouths of liberal commentators. when someone actually asks you to explain your argument(as in the arnold thread) you get flustered and just refer back to whatever liberal commentary you linked to.

[fred_smith]

So Cable Guy:

I guess you still cannot prove that Arnold lied right? Hmmm. Do not the questions others have raised not make you want to question not Arnold but the legitimacy of the sites that you are “absorbing?”

Your site said he could not have seen tanks in Styria but he was talking about visiting the Soviet sector. You said he called Austria socialist even when it had “conservative” leadership. But compared with America, Austria even under the conservatives was very “socialist.” So back to you. I really want to see how you can justify your statement that Arnold lied? Some Liberal Smarty Pants thought that he had discovered some big “lie” and then did not bother to try to verify that. Eureka! he or she squealed! Arnold lived in Styria. There were no Soviet troops there! Gotcha! But Arnold never said he saw the Soviets in Styria and he specifically mentioned “when he visited the Soviet Sector” so just why are you still defending this site? It was poorly researched. The argument fell apart immediately when challenged and you are wondering why no one can see the truth, but is that not an argument better asked of you yourself?

[Spanky]

HI, been gone for a long time (not that I have posted much), nice to see that some things havent changed(you can decide if that comment is a negative or a positive for yourself) I want to ask some questions about the original post in this thread.

Why is it okay for some countries to research and develop nuclear weapons and not for others? If you truly believe that nuclear weapons proliferation needs to stop then does that not mean for everyone? Does continued nuclear weapon research not contribute to this proliferation?

[Tigerman]

@Spanky

Why is it okay for some countries to research and develop nuclear weapons and not for others? If you truly believe that nuclear weapons proliferation needs to stop then does that not mean for everyone? Does continued nuclear weapon research not contribute to this proliferation?

Its not that its OK. Its just that I don’t trust anyone.

[cableguy]

[quote=“Spanky”]HI, been gone for a long time (not that I have posted much), nice to see that some things havent changed(you can decide if that comment is a negative or a positive for yourself) I want to ask some questions about the original post in this thread.

Why is it okay for some countries to research and develop nuclear weapons and not for others? If you truly believe that nuclear weapons proliferation needs to stop then does that not mean for everyone? Does continued nuclear weapon research not contribute to this proliferation?[/quote]

IMO, I don’t think it is ok for any countries to develop nuclear weapons. Of course, stopping should but will never happen completely, especially in certain countries which may have a desire to attack their real or perceived enemies.
The proliferation of weapons happens due to paranoia or, in the case of Bush, megalomania.